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Retrofit system converts existing diesel engines to run on 90% hydrogen​

By Loz Blain
October 13, 2022
Retrofitting existing diesel engines to run mainly on hydrogen may be a fast way for large fleets to rapidly reduce their carbon footprint without junking existing assets

Retrofitting existing diesel engines to run mainly on hydrogen may be a fast way for large fleets to rapidly reduce their carbon footprint without junking existing assets
Prof Shawn Kook / UNSW
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UNSW researchers have prototyped and tested a retrofit system that converts diesel engines to run on 90% hydrogen, radically reducing both carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide emissions while boosting efficiency by an impressive 26% in the process.
Running 10% diesel, the process is not a full green conversion for diesel engines, but it does offer a way for certain businesses to hugely reduce their emissions output without wastefully junking existing assets that could still remain useful for a long time.
The retrofit system keeps the diesel injection system, but adds hydrogen injection directly to the cylinder, as well as independent control of injection timing for both the hydrogen and diesel systems. It doesn't require particularly high-purity hydrogen, and the team has demonstrated that its "stratified" hydrogen injection technique, which creates pockets of higher and lower hydrogen concentrations in the cylinder, reduces the incidence of nitrous oxide emissions below that of a straight diesel.
The overall carbon dioxide emissions drop by some 85%, to around 90 grams/kWh of energy – that would certainly represent a solid intermediate step towards total decarbonization for many operations using large fleets of diesel vehicles.
Of course, it relies on hydrogen being available – which, in most areas, is not yet the case. But as the key green vehicle alternative to lithium batteries, hydrogen's time may be coming. Lithium supply shortages look set to rock the battery EV market in the coming few years, right when government regulations start kicking in to seriously accelerate the transition to zero-emissions driving in many jurisdictions. And green hydrogen projects are springing up all over the globe.
UNSW researchers Professor Shawn Kook (right), Xinyu Liu (back left) and Jinxin Yang (front left) with the diesel-to hydrogen retrofit test rig
Prof Shawn Kook / UNSW
Still, for the time being, the UNSW team is working to get its diesel engine retrofit systems commercialized within the next two years, and it's targeting industrial fleet and generator operators like mining operations, many of which already have hydrogen piped to the site. Again, this is currently unlikely to be green hydrogen, so the initial uses might effectively just be transferring their emissions to some Haber-Bosch plant down the street. But as the green hydrogen industry ramps up, it'll be important for investors to know there's reliable and growing demand from vehicles out there already using hydrogen and looking for a cleaner solution.
“We have shown that we can take those existing diesel engines and convert them into cleaner engines that burn hydrogen fuel," said Professor Shawn Kook, lead author on a paper just published in the International Journal of Hydrogen Energy. "Being able to retrofit diesel engines that are already out there is much quicker than waiting for the development of completely new fuel cell systems that might not be commercially available at a larger scale for at least a decade. With the problem of carbon emissions and climate change, we need some more immediate solutions to deal with the issue of these many diesel engines currently in use.”
For a lower-friction approach – albeit one with less impressive results – there are other retrofit systems being developed, like the HYDI direct injection device, which generates its own hydrogen as you drive, and injects it into the air-fuel mixture to help the diesel ignite faster and more completely. It requires nothing but an occasional water top-up, so it's completely non-reliant on hydrogen fuelling infrastructure, and it reduces fuel consumption by 5-13%, while also cutting down on emissions.
 
I do think the EV does have it's place for some people who never do any distance and have domestic solar, but the price is too high still, We would have one as we hardly ever do more than a couple of hundred miles, but although they say the infrastructure is improving and it is, suppose we go 100% EV, how would somewhere like center parcs cope with maybe 500 cars almost permanently there.

But yes, lets see how far the Hydrogen add on gets before they find it won't work because the demand outstrips supply and the infrastructure.
 
Watched something on the tube a few years back about a guy in California. Had converted his car to run on hydrogen and not only that he made his own hydrogen. Was an interesting video and made a good case for it. Pity I didn’t bookmark it
 
Watched something on the tube a few years back about a guy in California. Had converted his car to run on hydrogen and not only that he made his own hydrogen. Was an interesting video and made a good case for it. Pity I didn’t bookmark it
Is this it ?





 
Orkney has the highest percentage ownership of EVs in the UK. The island is fifty miles long, so I guess it’s the perfect place to own one. Many older EVs end up there.
Also, grants available for domestic wind turbines and plenty of wind, what’s not to like? Oh yes, the months of sideways rain.....
 
Cheapest EV on Ebay, almost.


 
Tells a story huh, if one days budget when troops was in Iraq was put to better use everyone could be using same technology as the guy with the red car. Of course it’s nothing to do with money, greed and control, it’s a green issue. Carry on believing it fols
 
Cheapest EV on Ebay, almost.


I could buy 10 good cars for that sort of money, or fuel for one which would keep me going for many years, its about 4 grand over priced.
My current car bought when almost 5 years old and 27th on clock was £1900, work it out for yourself.
 
Any silly bugger can go out and buy 10 cars for £6k (NOT good ones) Trev, but you can only drive one.
 
in the 1950.s a man called powell did something sim-eler and was bought out by? a big company stinks a bit. so dont take big sniffs. ok pj.
Correct, I remember as a young lad a chap used a water induced converter in a ford angle box returning 60 mpg, bought out by an oil co to keep his gob shut.
 
Hydrogen is almost certainly the future, but it has to fight off a lot of vested interests. They tell us that it's inefficient (true but irrelevant) that it damages gas pipes (relevant but not true) and that it is impossible to change the gas mains to a different gas (despite the fact that it happened successfully in the early 1970s, when we switched from 50% hydrogen to 100% natural gas).

If we are to have anything like as much wind and solar generation capacity as needed to power the UK in average weather, we are going to have a huge overcapacity when it's windy and/or sunny. That's the time to make green hydrogen. Even though the conversion is inefficent, it works.

The hydrogen can be stored to provide power when renewables aren't providing enough, can be used to power vehicles, and can be piped through the gas mains.
 
Not sure I'd want it in the house, too volatile, ordinary gas is bad enough.
 
Hydrogen is almost certainly the future, but it has to fight off a lot of vested interests. They tell us that it's inefficient (true but irrelevant) that it damages gas pipes (relevant but not true) and that it is impossible to change the gas mains to a different gas (despite the fact that it happened successfully in the early 1970s, when we switched from 50% hydrogen to 100% natural gas).

If we are to have anything like as much wind and solar generation capacity as needed to power the UK in average weather, we are going to have a huge overcapacity when it's windy and/or sunny. That's the time to make green hydrogen. Even though the conversion is inefficent, it works.

The hydrogen can be stored to provide power when renewables aren't providing enough, can be used to power vehicles, and can be piped through the gas mains.
Gas mains is low pressure and high vol, Hydrogen is at a very high pressure like that in your camper bottles, so can only be stored in high pressure cylinders/tanks at fuel stations.
 
Gas mains is low pressure and high vol, Hydrogen is at a very high pressure like that in your camper bottles, so can only be stored in high pressure cylinders/tanks at fuel stations.
I think it’s stored and transported at a lot higher pressure than lpg Trev but may be mistaken. Why would that be a problem though, every part of a system would designed to take that pressure.
They already have some big ships running on hydrogen as well as commercial stuff. If it wasn’t for greed and the oil company’s we would have been using it years ago
 

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