Methop Fell Fire

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[Devadave]

I wonder even with the 6 meter gap if there was any scolding/damage to paint etc of the adjoining pitched up vans?

Could have been a lot worse if it was on a tightly packed sites we have visited..any truth in the voice saying it was due to the occupant changing the gas bottle

 

[AndyWill64]

Anybody got any idea how common fires like this are, irrespective of cause?

I've spent quite a lot of time on various sites over the last three years, but this is the first I'm aware of.

 

[Burge]

In G/B most sites insist on a 6 mtr gap between Van's yet I have noticed that when people visit the Aires in Europe you can be sitting on nxt doors Van step they are that close together surely that is not a safe Park Up especially if one catches Fire ???.

 

[wildebus]

In G/B most sites insist on a 6 mtr gap between Van's yet I have noticed that when people visit the Aires in Europe you can be sitting on nxt doors Van step they are that close together surely that is not a safe Park Up especially if one catches Fire ???.

Or in Car Parks in the UK for that matter.

 

[TeamRienza]

It is my understanding that the six metre rule originates from commercial holiday parks with static ‘vans’ permanently sited. This legislation seems to have transferred over to the two clubs who enforce it even at weekend meets etc.

In the Republic of Ireland, when Cobh council were seeking advice regarding spacing for their excellent Aire, they approached the fire service who were satisfied with a spacing of 1.5 metres. This supposedly is an extension of the guidelines for trucks parking and overnighting in service areas which can be carrying hazardous loads, plus the cooking facilities which some trucks presumably have.



Photos of Cobh Aire showing spacing.


The same six metre legislation was due to be reviewed here in N. Ireland as it is quite antiquated and needing updated, however, it is one of the many issues which have been stalled due to the lack of a sitting Assembly. Some of us had hoped to have some input to any reform to remove one of the blockages to Aire provision by councils.
My local council were reasonably receptive to providing bigger bays for 5 or 6 Motorhomes in Newcastle Co. Down, and we worked on the 1.5m spacing. They were more concerned that the car park should not loose any spaces, so the compromise was that the officer responsible for parking and myself were able to create a couple of new spaces, but we had to make the Motorhome spaces shared, ie available to any users. This generally works well as evening or early morning arrival means the car park is not busy. Plus the ordinary spaces are technically available for Motorhomes. Overnight stays would require a change in bye laws, so a blind eye was turned to vans staying. The only issue was in Covid there were a couple of occasions when 30 vans parked up and jealous people complained despite there being 9 car parks in town, so the officer in charge was forced to stick ‘no overnighting’ labels on the information board. Currently vans overnight and nobody seems to mind again.

Davy

 

[Burge]

Looking at the Video there didn't seem to be much wind on the day , if there was a wind then 1.5 mtrs would surely endanger a parked up Van nxt to it.Having said that there is the argument about not enough Park Ups for vans ....where do you draw the line with safety ????

 

[trevskoda]

It is my understanding that the six metre rule originates from commercial holiday parks with static ‘vans’ permanently sited. This legislation seems to have transferred over to the two clubs who enforce it even at weekend meets etc.

In the Republic of Ireland, when Cobh council were seeking advice regarding spacing for their excellent Aire, they approached the fire service who were satisfied with a spacing of 1.5 metres. This supposedly is an extension of the guidelines for trucks parking and overnighting in service areas which can be carrying hazardous loads, plus the cooking facilities which some trucks presumably have.

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Photos of Cobh Aire showing spacing.


The same six metre legislation was due to be reviewed here in N. Ireland as it is quite antiquated and needing updated, however, it is one of the many issues which have been stalled due to the lack of a sitting Assembly. Some of us had hoped to have some input to any reform to remove one of the blockages to Aire provision by councils.
My local council were reasonably receptive to providing bigger bays for 5 or 6 Motorhomes in Newcastle Co. Down, and we worked on the 1.5m spacing. They were more concerned that the car park should not loose any spaces, so the compromise was that the officer responsible for parking and myself were able to create a couple of new spaces, but we had to make the Motorhome spaces shared, ie available to any users. This generally works well as evening or early morning arrival means the car park is not busy. Plus the ordinary spaces are technically available for Motorhomes. Overnight stays would require a change in bye laws, so a blind eye was turned to vans staying. The only issue was in Covid there were a couple of occasions when 30 vans parked up and jealous people complained despite there being 9 car parks in town, so the officer in charge was forced to stick ‘no overnighting’ labels on the information board. Currently vans overnight and nobody seems to mind again.

Davy

Been loads of time to that we park and its full of cars, why did they not set up a zone in Donard up the back bit through the top gate zone.

 

[TeamRienza]

They used the grass area you mention as an overflow and even permitted overnighting on the weekend of the air show.
However, you may have noticed, that they have increased and improved the parking at Donald car park (where I was lobbying for a proper Aire) and have now stopped parking on the sloping grass field as they had been told their public liability insurance did not cover unregulated casual parking.
The situation will worsen this year as parking charges are to be introduced in the council’s car parks. Free On street parking is restricted to a couple of hours which is rather unsatisfactory.

Davy

 

[Pudsey Bear]

Apart from the distance for fire risks there is a privacy issue, nosy people looking into your van, you can easily hear each other talking and TVs etc, this is one reason why we will not go onto a site.