Puppy Training

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Help.

Has anyone any advice how to train a 9 week old puppy to ….not to pee or poo where she shouldn’t.
We bought a cage for her but she doesn’t like it. She cries and whimpers when we put her in there, although that is improving as the days progress.
No problem with my previous dog because she was a rescue dog and much older.

We have puppy training pads around the house but somehow she manages to miss them with her deposits….nor does she head for the door to go outside. Aiming at the pads is somewhat hit or miss. Usually a hit for the poo…but mostly a miss with the pee.

Three nights ago (the arrival of the puppy) Helen slept on the sofa whilst Maisy (the puppy) slept in her bed (not Helen’s bed, lol) . 5am and she (Maisy) did actually do he business where required, then woke Helen wanting to play. 5-30..and they both slept until 8am.
Me…a good nights sleep upstairs.

Two nights ago was my turn to sleep downstairs……and much the same.

Last night WE went to bed…and she whined and cried for about a half hour before all went quiet.
5 am and she started crying again.

Has anyone any idea how long the whining and crying will go on for?

Interested to hear experiences from others that may help.
 
I tried grabbing my puppy by the scruff of its neck, booting it up the bum, and throwing it up the garden path when it peed and pooed in the house. After 3 weeks it still peed and pooed in the house but had learned to grab itself by the scruff of the neck, boot itself up the bum, and throw itself up the garden path ... :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Steve
 
Help.

Has anyone any advice how to train a 9 week old puppy to ….not to pee or poo where she shouldn’t.
We bought a cage for her but she doesn’t like it. She cries and whimpers when we put her in there, although that is improving as the days progress.
No problem with my previous dog because she was a rescue dog and much older.

We have puppy training pads around the house but somehow she manages to miss them with her deposits….nor does she head for the door to go outside. Aiming at the pads is somewhat hit or miss. Usually a hit for the poo…but mostly a miss with the pee.

Three nights ago (the arrival of the puppy) Helen slept on the sofa whilst Maisy (the puppy) slept in her bed (not Helen’s bed, lol) . 5am and she (Maisy) did actually do he business where required, then woke Helen wanting to play. 5-30..and they both slept until 8am.
Me…a good nights sleep upstairs.

Two nights ago was my turn to sleep downstairs……and much the same.

Last night WE went to bed…and she whined and cried for about a half hour before all went quiet.
5 am and she started crying again.

Has anyone any idea how long the whining and crying will go on for?

Interested to hear experiences from others that may help.
The first thing you need is crate training. A properly crate trained dog is great to have, then the house training and all other training can be a lot easier.
When it comes to toilet training............as soon as your puppy wakes up or eats a meal take it outside and wait (for a long time if needs be) until they pee/poo, then reward with lots of praise and a high value treat.....................and repeat. Always take it to a spot in the garden where you would prefer it to toilet too.
 
The above advice is good and you can leave your dog cage open with a treat or even the food bowl. Your dog will learn to associate the cage with good things and lose its fear. We have always had a cage indoors with the door open in a quiet area. Some dogs find comfort in an open cage.

If the puppy goes to the same spot to poo then place the puppy pad there until the pup is used to the pad and then slowly move it towards the door. The warmer weather is also helpful in getting the pup outdoors more. Be patient, some dogs take a little more time than others.
 
Not specifically toilet training, but the last 2 episodes of 'Dogs behaving (very) badly' have been puppy training specials.
Channel 5, Tues 8pm and catch up.

But, basically, as posted above, it's all about rewarding the desired behaviour. When walking my dog, I see so many people readily chastising their dog but then not praising it for doing good. How is on earth is the dog supposed to know what's right or wrong?

Sorry, mini rant over!
 
No one rule, dogs should not be in a house, best kept outside as good for there coat, never mind homes that have dogs inside do stink, I know as we had show dogs in our home when they got old and could no longer live out.
AS for training its best to go on a course with the dog, it takes time so be prepaired.
 
a puppy needs to know and remember where to go to the toilet. The only way is to do the following:

- select a toilet area outside, it can be large or the size of a door mat, e.g. gravel
- after EVERY time they wake, or are fed, or are sniffing around you take them there and wait in silence until they perform, then you praise them and go in
- you do this come rain, hail, sleet, snow, sunshine, wind or WHATEVER THE WEATHER
- you do this for at least 6 - 8 weeks without fail
- accidents will happen, to reduce the impact, keep the puppy in a small area at night or when out
- be tolerant, make allowances
- relax the rules gradually, re-impose them consistently if necessary
- eventually, they will ask to go out and / or you will recognise the signs

crate training is another thing.

good luck
 
Couldn't it be left outside in a kennel until it knows to do its job outside before you let it into your house ?
 
The above advice is good and you can leave your dog cage open with a treat or even the food bowl. Your dog will learn to associate the cage with good things and lose its fear. We have always had a cage indoors with the door open in a quiet area. Some dogs find comfort in an open cage.

If the puppy goes to the same spot to poo then place the puppy pad there until the pup is used to the pad and then slowly move it towards the door. The warmer weather is also helpful in getting the pup outdoors more. Be patient, some dogs take a little more time than others.
Thank you for this advice we have now done that and ir is working and she is going in her cage if we leave the door open. Many thanks
 
Not specifically toilet training, but the last 2 episodes of 'Dogs behaving (very) badly' have been puppy training specials.
Channel 5, Tues 8pm and catch up.

But, basically, as posted above, it's all about rewarding the desired behaviour. When walking my dog, I see so many people readily chastising their dog but then not praising it for doing good. How is on earth is the dog supposed to know what's right or wrong?

Sorry, mini rant over!
many thanks we watch this programme
 
How would it know not to go in the house !!! Best leave this to dog owners
It'd be tied to the kennel an not allowed into the house I had a dog but sold it when We decided to spent time traveling in our motorhome It never was allowed in the house was always free to roam an out of choice slept in the back of my pickup
 
It'd be tied to the kennel an not allowed into the house I had a dog but sold it when We decided to spent time traveling in our motorhome It never was allowed in the house was always free to roam an out of choice slept in the back of my pickup
That explains your approach.
 
Thank you for this advice we have now done that and ir is working and she is going in her cage if we leave the door open. Many thanks
That's good to hear as dogs (strictly speaking) should always be transported in cages. We did not stick strictly to that rule but some of the dogs were always in cages for travelling. We used to show Whippets and Pugs. The Pugs were always caged and some of the Whippets were, a couple of Whippets had favourite spots which were in a quite secure place in the motorhome where being in a cage was no advantage if a problem arose.
 
i have had 6 setters over the last 40 years all but one from puppy stage bribery is the best training tool ie reward good behaviour , presently i have one 12 year old and one one year old the 12 year old has done most of the training she has been clean since 4 months old but has started chewing we are presently using chew toys & again emphasising which is hers and which isn’t ! slow job
 
Toilet training -

Toilet training your dog happens when two things come together - the ABILITY to hold the toilet, along with the DESIRE to hold it in order to earn the lovely reward you will give him for doing so.

Ideally you want him to not be in a position where he needs to toilet before you have him outdoors, so that every toilet is outside - as far as possible, there will be accidents. So set him up to succeed by taking him out even more than he needs; for example every 45 minutes to an hour and always after sleeping, eating, playing. The time between a puppy realising they need to toilet, and being unable to hold that toilet, is zero. So your aim is to have him outside before he can't help himself.

When he toilets outdoors make a huge fuss (never mind the neighbours, act like outdoor toileting is the best thing you have ever seen) and reward him with a high value treat. Do that immediately, don't make him come to you for the treat so he is clear that it's for toileting and not for coming to you. The idea is that he eventually wants to earn the treat enough to hold the toilet until he is outside - once he is physically able to control his toileting obviously.

As he is actually performing the toilet you can introduce words he can associate with it (like 'do weewee' and 'busy busy') so that later, when he is reliably trained, you can use these to tell him when you want him to toilet.

If you take him out and he doesn't toilet after five minutes, bring him in but don't take your eyes off him. Any hint of a toilet inside, scoop him up and get him out fast. If he doesn't try to toilet indoors (great!) take him out a second time and repeat until you do get outside toilets. You need the outside toilet to happen SO that you can reward SO that he learns.

If you see him circling or scratching, that can sometimes precede toileting so take him out straight away.

Some people do train their dog to ring a bell on a string by the door if they want to go out. But - what they actually train the dog to do is to ring when he wants to go out, rather than wants to go out specifically to toilet. So, they find that they have to open the door every ten minutes because the puppy wants to go and play outside.

Also, some people will leave the back door open to a secure garden, to allow the puppy to go as he pleases. But there are two problems with this. First, an open door blurs the boundary between where indoors ends and outdoors begins, and the puppy doesn't learn where he is allowed to toilet and where not to. Second, a puppy with constant access to outside doesn't develop the muscle control to hold his toilet.

Better to establish a good regular routine of going outside, on your terms.

If he has an accident inside don't react at all. Dogs cant make the distinction between you being annoyed at them for TOILETING, as opposed to toileting INDOORS. If you get cross he may learn to fear your reaction and avoid you if he needs to toilet, by seeking or creating opportunities to sneak off and do it in other rooms, or waiting until you step out. Treat any accidents indoors as your responsibility, because you haven't had your puppy in the right place at the time he needs to toilet. Just quietly and calmly clean the area with an enzymatic cleaner to remove any trace of smell that might attract him back to the spot. Enzymatic cleaners need to be left down for about ten minutes to let the enzymes get to work and do the job properly.

Overnight he is unlikely to be able to control his toilet as his little bladder and bowel are underdeveloped and not strong enough to hold all night so you will need to take him out. It's a good idea to have your puppy in your bedroom at first so you can hear him stirring and take him out to toilet. This won't make him clingy, in fact the opposite - having you close by will reassure him there isn't anything to be scared of, and that will help his confidence develop.

Avoid puppy pads - they give mixed messages about whether it's ok to toilet indoors and confuse the puppy, and when you take them away your puppy will look for a similarly textured surface - which will often be a cushion or your duvet. Instead, if you absolutely have to have something indoors, better to create something more like he will use outside. A large shallow tray with turf, sand or gravel on your balcony if possible or just outside your door would work well.

Once your puppy is able to go further than your garden, try to encourage him to use different substrate to toilet on. If you have a dog that will only poo on grass for example, and you are visiting somewhere where there is none, you will have an uncomfortable and stressed dog (and owner). So variety is key.


Crate training -

A crate is a useful tool to help with toilet training, but it isn't a solution in itself. A dog will try to avoid toileting in the area where he sleeps and eats, but if your puppy has to toilet, he has to toilet; and no amount of crate training will stop him. And if the crate is just big enough for his bed, he will have no alternative but to lie in it which is unpleasant for him and creates more laundry and dog bathing for you.

Crate training takes time and effort, and is a good idea in case your dog ever has to be confined due to illness, injury or travel requirements, but introducing a crate must be done properly to avoid a stressed dog who feels trapped and afraid.

The guide below is one of the best I've seen. It was written be Emma Judson (a proper behaviourist) and is shared with her permission. It's a long read, so get a cuppa, but it is excellent.



Dogs behaving badly -

The ”behaviourist” is very poorly qualified (you could buy the qualification he has for about £80, and I mean ”you” quite literally, it isn't an accredited qualification). Some of the advice he gives is utterly appalling, the reason the programme is on Channel 5 is because Channel 4 received so much criticism they dropped it. I could add more - a lot more - but this isn't the place. PM me if you want to know.
 
Toilet training -

Toilet training your dog happens when two things come together - the ABILITY to hold the toilet, along with the DESIRE to hold it in order to earn the lovely reward you will give him for doing so.

Ideally you want him to not be in a position where he needs to toilet before you have him outdoors, so that every toilet is outside - as far as possible, there will be accidents. So set him up to succeed by taking him out even more than he needs; for example every 45 minutes to an hour and always after sleeping, eating, playing. The time between a puppy realising they need to toilet, and being unable to hold that toilet, is zero. So your aim is to have him outside before he can't help himself.

When he toilets outdoors make a huge fuss (never mind the neighbours, act like outdoor toileting is the best thing you have ever seen) and reward him with a high value treat. Do that immediately, don't make him come to you for the treat so he is clear that it's for toileting and not for coming to you. The idea is that he eventually wants to earn the treat enough to hold the toilet until he is outside - once he is physically able to control his toileting obviously.

As he is actually performing the toilet you can introduce words he can associate with it (like 'do weewee' and 'busy busy') so that later, when he is reliably trained, you can use these to tell him when you want him to toilet.

If you take him out and he doesn't toilet after five minutes, bring him in but don't take your eyes off him. Any hint of a toilet inside, scoop him up and get him out fast. If he doesn't try to toilet indoors (great!) take him out a second time and repeat until you do get outside toilets. You need the outside toilet to happen SO that you can reward SO that he learns.

If you see him circling or scratching, that can sometimes precede toileting so take him out straight away.

Some people do train their dog to ring a bell on a string by the door if they want to go out. But - what they actually train the dog to do is to ring when he wants to go out, rather than wants to go out specifically to toilet. So, they find that they have to open the door every ten minutes because the puppy wants to go and play outside.

Also, some people will leave the back door open to a secure garden, to allow the puppy to go as he pleases. But there are two problems with this. First, an open door blurs the boundary between where indoors ends and outdoors begins, and the puppy doesn't learn where he is allowed to toilet and where not to. Second, a puppy with constant access to outside doesn't develop the muscle control to hold his toilet.

Better to establish a good regular routine of going outside, on your terms.

If he has an accident inside don't react at all. Dogs cant make the distinction between you being annoyed at them for TOILETING, as opposed to toileting INDOORS. If you get cross he may learn to fear your reaction and avoid you if he needs to toilet, by seeking or creating opportunities to sneak off and do it in other rooms, or waiting until you step out. Treat any accidents indoors as your responsibility, because you haven't had your puppy in the right place at the time he needs to toilet. Just quietly and calmly clean the area with an enzymatic cleaner to remove any trace of smell that might attract him back to the spot. Enzymatic cleaners need to be left down for about ten minutes to let the enzymes get to work and do the job properly.

Overnight he is unlikely to be able to control his toilet as his little bladder and bowel are underdeveloped and not strong enough to hold all night so you will need to take him out. It's a good idea to have your puppy in your bedroom at first so you can hear him stirring and take him out to toilet. This won't make him clingy, in fact the opposite - having you close by will reassure him there isn't anything to be scared of, and that will help his confidence develop.

Avoid puppy pads - they give mixed messages about whether it's ok to toilet indoors and confuse the puppy, and when you take them away your puppy will look for a similarly textured surface - which will often be a cushion or your duvet. Instead, if you absolutely have to have something indoors, better to create something more like he will use outside. A large shallow tray with turf, sand or gravel on your balcony if possible or just outside your door would work well.

Once your puppy is able to go further than your garden, try to encourage him to use different substrate to toilet on. If you have a dog that will only poo on grass for example, and you are visiting somewhere where there is none, you will have an uncomfortable and stressed dog (and owner). So variety is key.


Crate training -

A crate is a useful tool to help with toilet training, but it isn't a solution in itself. A dog will try to avoid toileting in the area where he sleeps and eats, but if your puppy has to toilet, he has to toilet; and no amount of crate training will stop him. And if the crate is just big enough for his bed, he will have no alternative but to lie in it which is unpleasant for him and creates more laundry and dog bathing for you.

Crate training takes time and effort, and is a good idea in case your dog ever has to be confined due to illness, injury or travel requirements, but introducing a crate must be done properly to avoid a stressed dog who feels trapped and afraid.

The guide below is one of the best I've seen. It was written be Emma Judson (a proper behaviourist) and is shared with her permission. It's a long read, so get a cuppa, but it is excellent.



Dogs behaving badly -

The ”behaviourist” is very poorly qualified (you could buy the qualification he has for about £80, and I mean ”you” quite literally, it isn't an accredited qualification). Some of the advice he gives is utterly appalling, the reason the programme is on Channel 5 is because Channel 4 received so much criticism they dropped it. I could add more - a lot more - but this isn't the place. PM me if you want to know.
Thank you so much for the time you have taken to help us trying to train our pup. She can’t go outside yet as she still needs her 12 week injections. But we have put a pen out side so she will wee but I am not sure how much is just luck. 😂 but we are persevering. She is very loving so she is worth the effort. Thank you again. Helen
 

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