Yet another Toilet Thread!

[wildebus]

However, this one does not discuss the pros and cons of Bio Tablets vs branded additives, or about people emptying their cassettes over a wall onto a beach, or having to go to campsites every few days just to empty....
It is about a toilet that doesn't have to use any of the above.

For some reason I ended up with a youtube suggestion on a video about the Clesana Toilet - https://clesana.com/en/home/
It looks a very handy unit which has a good number of pros from what I can see, with the only downside being the cost of the liner you need to use with it. But when you compare the cost per use of the liner against the cost of chemical additives and potential extra costs of going to disposal sites every few days if wildcamping, it seems pretty comparable, and the convenience of the Clesana has got to be really good and maybe worth the extra?
I've never heard of this product before and it looks like it has been around for over 10 years!

I guess there will be the responses of "putting human waste in a bin is disgusting", but is putting a sealed bag from a toilet any different to putting a used soiled nappy into a bin? (BTW, it is estimated there are 3,000,000,000 nappys thrown away in the UK annually). Given how the Clesana bags are sealed in the same way that contaminated hospital waste is sealed, it is probably a lot more hygenic disposal than a soiled nappy as well.

This is an interesting video talking about it. Chances are you will need to read the subtitles as it is a Dutch video.

Has anyone heard of Clesana or even have one installed? I think the unit is around £1,500 to buy, so more than a Thetford Loo, but I think around the same cost as a 'Composting' toilet and a lot cheaper than the "Cinderella" system from Norway than incinerates the waste.
I've no plans to change my Motorhome loo but if I had a reason or need to do so, I'd definately look into this one.

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[Pudsey Bear]

My only concern would be, liquids and solids do tend to smell badly in hot weather very soon so hopingley there is a good seal to the lid, but then at some point you'll need to use it again.

 

[Vanterrier]

It's not just nappies that are dumped in domestic waste bins. Stoma bags, when changed the old used ones are placed in a doggy-bag (or two), tied then put in the waste bin.
Although mine doesn't go in the kitchen bin, it goes outdoors immediately. The bin doesn't smell any worse than any other bin emptied fortnightly of food packaging and scraps which can be pretty stinky anyway.
I think this toilet is brilliant but likely to be very expensive so I'll stick with double bagging my waste.
K

 

[wildebus]

My only concern would be, liquids and solids do tend to smell badly in hot weather very soon so hopingley there is a good seal to the lid, but then at some point you'll need to use it again.

did you watch the video? TBH I think you didn't look at any of the info describing how it works if you are wondering on that point.

 

[wildebus]

It's not just nappies that are dumped in domestic waste bins. Stoma bags, when changed the old used ones are placed in a doggy-bag (or two), tied then put in the waste bin.
Although mine doesn't go in the kitchen bin, it goes outdoors immediately. The bin doesn't smell any worse than any other bin emptied fortnightly of food packaging and scraps which can be pretty stinky anyway.
I think this toilet is brilliant but likely to be very expensive so I'll stick with double bagging my waste.
K

I think the costs work out to be around 20p per 'portion' (German term - so cost per use for #2).

 

[Pudsey Bear]

did you watch the video? TBH I think you didn't look at any of the info describing how it works if you are wondering on that point.

I just watched the video.

 

[wildebus]

I just watched the video.

so you saw how after each 'visit' you push the "flush" button and that draws the liner down and then hermetically seals it, eliminating entirely any smells and the toilet seat lid even left open makes no difference. and the weather is irrelevant.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

AHA!! I must have missed where it said to do it after every visit.

 

[wildebus]

Looks like this toilet is fairly popular, but only really marketed and sold in a few countries in Europe. Shame really, as greater volume could bring the cost of the liners down and maybe might be 3rd party manufacturers coming in to make them as well?
Could be handy if a retro-fit to be able to use the old cassette door to pull out the used sealed bags to remove, but then again, someone watching could get the wrong end of the stick if they saw someone removing a bag from a toilet and putting it in a bin and not realise it was fully sealed, etc.
Does seem ideal product for a wild camper who wants to avoid campsites entirely as their cassette emptying options would appear to be very limited generally?
And preferrable to the "composting" toilets (thankfully, the term 'separating' is gradually getting used instead of 'composting' for those as no one is "composting" the contents of those loos!)

 

[Pudsey Bear]

I jsut watched it, & It didn't mention it in the vid.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

Dependin on the cost of the plastic, you could do away with the waste bin, and even put leftovers in the fridge with it, probably not food safe though.

It could get expensive with diarrhoea.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

Maybe even make your own boil in the bag.

 

[wildebus]

AHA!! I must have missed where it said to do it after every visit.

it is a pretty essential thing to do and you press the relavent flush button for the size of the 'load' that needs to be sealed. apparently the "XS" one is the most typical, but there is a S, L and XL as well?
Here is the first video I saw on this and its a video by an Aussie, so as you can imagine, he gets to the point!

One thing I did see - don't know if it was the video I posted or another one - was a comment about if someone pees a lot - say takes a few visits during the night - is the company sells absorbant gel packs (and can be found in loads of places anyway) which will 'jellify' (?) the wee and absorb the smell rather than having to do a flush each time. That would make sense both in use and cost terms. I think a lot of blokes have a pee-bottle anyway for that rather than using a cassette toilet and a flush each time to avoid filling the cassette up quickly.

 

[wildebus]

Dependin on the cost of the plastic, you could do away with the waste bin, and even put leftovers in the fridge with it, probably not food safe though.

It could get expensive with diarrhoea.

You could after using it then dump any waste food, etc in the bowl and do that indeed!

 

[Pudsey Bear]

I really like the idea, wimmin would more so I think, not sure what kids would make of it, but it'd be handy for keeping small ones quiet, expensive but a sensible option on a new one.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

Approx £0.27p per plop.

 

[wildebus]

I really like the idea, wimmin would more so I think, not sure what kids would make of it, but it'd be handy for keeping small ones quiet, expensive but a sensible option on a new one.

Like the Aussie guy said, spending £20k to £100k (converted from AUD) on a mobile home of wheels, cost of this is not a lot in addition. If I were doing a self-build, I would be 90% sure on getting this kind of loo.
On my current Motorhome I have zero issues on my Thetford toilet so no reason to change.

Approx £0.27p per plop.

little less (AUD, not USD), but pretty much. But if wild camping and have to go to a campsite to empty, how much do they charge to use the facilities? £5? can you get 20 dumps in a single cassette? (not ignoring the to be totally honest fairly unpleasant process needed as well)

 

[Pudsey Bear]

We use bottles, and bag and bin it so no need, but as you say 90% I'd go for it.