Despicable motorhome dealer

I have to say not all dealers are shite I bought my Rapido motorhome 5 years ago from a dealer on the A1 Robmac kindly went and gave it the once over as it was Near to where he lives he listed all the things he found wrong that included a crack in the shower tray when I went armed with the info he fixed every one even got the wet room complete done by Speedcoat with a 10 year guarantee, the van came with a bog standard 3 month guarantee month 4 the skylight cracked and would not close I went back to the dealer and even though it was out of guarantee he replaced the whole thing at no charge so there are some good ones out there.
 
This is why we need to know who are the good dealers and who are not, naming and shaming would keep them all honest if they thought it would affect their sales, and would work but it has to be factual and accurate or there would be litigation.
 
I think I’d better let you know about prompt equitable service I received from Chelston MHs, albeit over 12 years ago, I purchased my first from them not knowing anything that I needed to know - the most obvious now is to take someone along with you to point out issues. After a week of ownership I came up with a massive amount of stuff to complain about and sent a detailed report to the MD. His response was immediate, and the repairs took a couple of weeks, the end result was I had a MH that was now much better than I had originally expected
 
We had a bad experience with Dixons of Perth in 2019 on our very first purchase a couple of years ago. We agreed a price 5k below that asking price, paid the deposit agreed the pickup date. Received a call a week before we were due to pick it up saying it was sold, Christina was standing our ground stating we had paid the full deposit so it was ours, Christopher Dixon then got abusive with Christina at the end of his rant said tough it's sold you will get your deposit back. Google Chris Dixon, Dixons of Perth and check his court cases against him maybe he was having another bad day after court. The next purchase from another dealer was not much better as that went back in exchange for the one we have now which was a better spec than what was originally sold to us.
 
A few years ago, we bought a 20 year old Swift Royale 610 motorhome from a dealer in Kent. We paid a reasonable price and kept it for nearly 3 years and clocked up over 25,000 miles. It never let us down.
But, being a Swift, we expected some damp to appear somewhere, and it did. Both rear corners, the lower corners of the over cab bed under the fridge and around the bottom of the hab door started to show signs, but not enough to bother with, unless we had kept it, and it had got into a disconcerting habit of carrying on running when we turned the ignition off, occasionally.
The last mot showed signs of corrosion near the front crossmember ( it’s first ever advisory)
It had a few other minor niggles, nothing serious, but because of the engine running on and the beginnings of damp, and me describing it honestly, we sold it cheap to a private buyer, who, within a couple of days, turned out to be a dealer who had it for sale on an auction site for well over double what he bought it for, with no mention of any of the faults we sold it with, but “ in immaculate condition and a credit to its previous owner”!
It sold in a couple of weeks.
I often wonder who bought it and how long it took for them to find out what the dealer had hidden from them.
 
This is why we need to know who are the good dealers and who are not, naming and shaming would keep them all honest if they thought it would affect their sales, and would work but it has to be factual and accurate or there would be litigation.
Your last post you are saying you cannot name and shame the one in Bradford that you say ripped you off for about there is only one in Bradford and that is Dick Lane Motorhomes and they have been repairing maintaining and servicing my vans over the past 35 years and I have never had an issue with them but I have never bought one from them only because they have not had one in that suited when we were purchasing, but we don’t need to get into the naming and shaming on a forum there is enough of that on faceache.
 
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I pay everything (including the 48K for my camper) on a credit card.
Then claw-back monies if any problems occur.

I have no time in my world for Bandits..!
No good to pay for van or any single item with purchase price of over £30K as not covered by credit card as we found when we bought a very poor new van from Southampton dealer. We did get a full refund after four months but was a lot of hassle and it was for sale again for higher price within two weeks with nothing fixed.
 
I’ve been relatively happy with my van. I’ve had a few problems over the 5 years since i bought it all warranty problems that the dealership should have sorted under the warranty but not carried out by them as they were worse than useless incompetent and unable too tell the truth. BC motor homes in Ayr. Now Why would you treat a customer who spends that much money on something with the contempt they showed me are they interested in returning customers. I have been thinking recently that I might change my van and have been looking at stuff but i would not go near this company ever again in the end it’s there loss and I would discourage anyone I can from dealing with them.
 
People are always moaning about Marquis but I've bought two vans from their Preston branch and found them very good.
 
No good to pay for van or any single item with purchase price of over £30K as not covered by credit card as we found when we bought a very poor new van from Southampton dealer. We did get a full refund after four months but was a lot of hassle and it was for sale again for higher price within two weeks with nothing fixed.
Paying the whole purchase cost on a credit card, basically covers everything under 5K should anything go so terribly wrong and I don't get a satisfactory repair. I wouldn't except any credit card company to refund the purchase price ..... that's where warranty insurance kicks in.

The days of paying in cash are long gone. I seem to get treated better when using a credit card ...;)
 
Lowdhams have to be the worst motorhome dealers in the country, though Marquis of Preston made quite a name in all the national papers a few years back. They are only interested in your money. Lowdhams charged me £240 for an habitation inspection and wanted paying for warranty work because I bought it from a dealer 160 miles away. The service manager was rude, arrogant and when I questioned why the warranty work had not been done replied "Well you'll have to bring it back won't you?" Needless to say No I won't & didn't, & never will. I use an independent who charges £120 for the hab test. Do not use Lowdhams, warranty is covered by a registered independent and will be done right. If you want a good honest dealer & can travel you will not find better than Elite Motorhomes Middleton Cheny. Service is great & they will not rip you off, bought my last 2 vans there & the next will come from them too!
 
Speaking of despicable dealers:

We've just bought a van from the unfortunate vendors who originally purchased it from Lowdhams last November. This brief experience means that we wouldn't touch Lowdham's with a barge pole. Here's why:
  1. They mislead our vendors by telling them they were the 2nd owners from new (they were the fourth);
  2. They assured them that the just over 2-year old van they bought had the full warranty/hab checks etc. done in the PDI (pre-delivery inspection) even though we found out, while buying the van, that Lowdham's had given them an old PDI check (from a previous owner) which said habitation/damp check on it but this was not the formal Chausson-required habitation check (even though Lowdhams are recognised Chausson dealers), so the 7-year Chausson warranty was actually void. When we asked Lowdham's about the hab check and the warranty they insisted it had been done but that it couldn't be transferred to us as we were the THIRD owners and it only goes as far as the second (see point 1 and point 5 below);
  3. After we came back with "the water ingress warranty, like the Ford warranty belongs to the van not the owner" they changed tactic, and now blamed the first owner (who owned it for 2 years) for not having done it in time so missing the deadline - effectively "not our fault guv!". This is despite our then finding out that owing to Covid, Chausson like many other manufacturers gave a 6-month grace period to do the check and maintain the warranty. The van was due it's hab check in May 2021. Lowdhams actually sold this van THREE times in that 6-month period, so it was in their care during all that time and they still had the chance to do it before selling it to our vendors (in November 2021) so they lied to our face and, sadly to our vendors;
  4. We are the ones who flagged up all these discrepancies as the vendors hadn't noticed that the 3 sheets of paperwork that Lowdhams had given them (that's all they got apart from the usual manuals etc. that every van had) did not actually prove that Lowdhams had done the work, and it definitely wasn't the paperwork for the PDI they claimed to have done in November (when our vendors bought the van from them, but from JUNE (so 2 owners ago!). This was obvious to us because the name and address of the owner was blacked out, the date said June 2021 and the mileage did not correspond with the vendors' V5.
  5. It wasn't until we paid for a pre-sale online vehicle check, that we discovered that there had been 3 owners before our vendors (so they were the fourth owners of the vehicle) - the two previous owners had owned the van for less than 2 months each respectively. The vendors had been told that they were the second owners, so the assumption was that perhaps the extra owners were the dealership, between sales, but when pressed, Lowdhams admitted that the vehicle had never been registered with the dealership, so these were individual private owners. However, the van had gone back and forth to Lowdhams betweeen all these sales and they would easily have had time to do the habitation check properly (as above) if they had been honest
  6. when the van went in for its MOT a couple of weeks ago - Lowdham's finally repaired the two blinds that were already broken when our vendors had originally purchased the van in November - I am convinced that they only did this because they wanted them to be able to sell this van quickly in order for them to purchase the new one which was already on order from Lowdhams, otherwise I honestly think our vendors would still be waiting for those two blinds to be repaired.

That's just what we've encountered over a 2-week period. The only reason we finally agreed to purchase this van was because it looks very sound, it is exactly what we wanted, it has the remains of its 1-year warranty (until next November) that it was sold with and which is transferable, and the vendors dropped the price enough that we felt we could take the risk, otherwise we would have walked away. Our plan is to now to get a proper habitation check done by a reputable dealer - RIVER MOTORHOMES – whose customer service and reputation puts Lowdhams to shame - in fact we have already booked her in for this as our damp meter was reading 40% in one spot of the rear garage, showing a potential cause for concern. That way, should any serious (and expensive) nasties appear, we are still covered by the warranty and can get everything fixed by River Motorhomes before the warranty runs out.

I feel very sorry for our vendors as they seemed very decent, honest people who were effectively hoodwinked and didn't deserve to be treated the way Lowdhams treated them and I just hope that, armed with this information, they have managed to get their deposit back and can go elsewhere because Lowdham's don't deserve their (or anyone else's) custom. Shocking dealership.
Lowdhams deserve every critical word of what I wrote above. We have now taken our van to River Motorhomes who have found serious damp - up to 90% - around the garage door and also very high around the passenger side window, next to the dinette seats. Result is that we have to take it in for all these panels to be ripped out and replaced. Luckily there was still a few months' warranty left from when our vendors bought from Lowdhams, but if this happens again and we can't get water ingress added to our insurance we are screwed as the 7-year Chausson warranty is gone for good. Our only consolation is that River have such a good reputation, we are confident that the problems will be fixed and the van will come back sound and damp-free for the future.
 
Would they warranty their own work?
 
Would they warranty their own work?
I'm sure they would, but they like people to subscribe to their "membership" where you pay a certain amount every month and get discounts on any work that is due. We're still examining all options at the moment but are not sure we want to get tied up into something like that, especially as my other half is so technically handy/savvy. I must admit, it's really taken the shine off our new purchase though - especially considering the huge amount of money we forked out, even though we did knock the vendors down a bit owing to the lack of 7-year Chausson water ingress Warranty. I've started missing our lovely old (22 year old) van :( Perhaps when everything is OK and we have a few breaks away in her, I'll feel better about it all. The other half is now saying that the next van we get will be a panel van as they don't have these problems...
 
It would depend on the amount per month, sounds a odd business model though, And panel vans have their own issues, rust, poor insulation space, they are usually quite a bit more to buy too.

We bought a pup too, we've got nearly £3k in it now getting stuff repaired, I could probably sell it and get out ok, but then we could buy possibly another pup and this isn't a rescue centre.
 
Don't think it's brown hills cause he said on WC its midway of the M5
Halfway up the M5 between Exeter and Porlock sounds like close to Taunton to me.

I think I’d better let you know about prompt equitable service I received from Chelston MHs, albeit over 12 years ago, I purchased my first from them not knowing anything that I needed to know - the most obvious now is to take someone along with you to point out issues. After a week of ownership I came up with a massive amount of stuff to complain about and sent a detailed report to the MD. His response was immediate, and the repairs took a couple of weeks, the end result was I had a MH that was now much better than I had originally expected
That would seem to rule out Chelston, which has me puzzled. FWIW, I had a similar experience to @SimonM with the Somerset Motorhome Centre (who sold us our van). Everything seemed good at first. We were looking at layouts with no intention to actually buy at the time but Jan fell in love with our van and we put a deposit down there and then. The salesman assured us it was damp-free and that everything except the solar and satellite TV systems was covered by their warranty. First issue was that we'd been told the van was 3,850kg MGW -- which was what the VIN plate indicated. However, DVLA would only tax it as PLG: someone had downplated the van and 'forgot' to update the VIN plates. I nearly walked away at that point as the van was not as advertised, but they promised to get it sorted. A catalogue of horrors then ensued -- here's some of it: We took it for a 'shakedown' and found a few leaks. I went around all the usual places with a damp meter and found nothing and so suspect that the van had been stored long term under cover. Back to the dealers it went and they tried to get away with running some silicone around the window frames etc. However, the next time out we had a flood from a leaky window. The outer wall in the bathroom and one side of the lounge had gone soft. I phoned to complain and told the admin person that I felt justified in asking for a full refund. She said that, if a refund is what I wanted, she'd speak to the head honcho. I said that what I really wanted was for them to repair the van and put it into the condition they'd claimed it to be when they sold it. So it went back to the dealer's workshops for about three weeks during which time almost every wall board and any rotten timbers were replaced, together will other outstanding defects -- they really did a fantastic job.

Bottom line is that I tend to judge companies by how well they do if things go wrong, and I am happy to recommend the Somerset Motorhome Centre based on my experience.
 
It would depend on the amount per month, sounds a odd business model though, And panel vans have their own issues, rust, poor insulation space, they are usually quite a bit more to buy too.

We bought a pup too, we've got nearly £3k in it now getting stuff repaired, I could probably sell it and get out ok, but then we could buy possibly another pup and this isn't a rescue centre.
I agree, once everything's fixed, she'll probably be sound as a pound :)
 
I have read about Brownhills being pretty crap but nobody has actually said why. As they are a zillion miles from us and I cant see me ever having dealings with them can anyone enlighten me? G
I bought a new Rapido A class in 2008, when the first habitation service was due in 2009 they said the larger of the Truma heater elements had gone and insisted that I pay a £200 contribution as Truma would only pay a certain amount to cover the repair, Truma wouldn't pay for access to it, only its repair. I stayed overnight and left it with them the next day, when the "repair" was completed I discovered that the boiler casing had been broken and was held together with duct tape. I approached the service department who insisted it was like that before they touched it, they called in the "technician" who swore that was the case, until I showed the photo I had taken when I left it with them. The technician then accompanied me to the motorhome and fitted cable ties as well as the duct tape. It then transpired that their EHU to which the motorhome was connected when the apparent fault was discovered is only 6 amps, therefore the larger element wold not have worked anyway so I wonder if the repair was really needed in the first place. On a previous occasion I had a substantial leak from the FOS sliding front window, again I left it with them for the window to be removed and resealed. I collected it and drove home 90 or so miles and on the journey it rained and the window leaked. I examined the window and although it had been removed and refitted with new sealant, when it was replaced one of the screws holding it was wrongly angled and went straight through the frame into the drainage channel. Needless to say I repaired this myself by removing the offending screw, repairing the hole with liquid metal and replacing the screw in the correct location.

Note...I purchased the motorhome in 2008 and these matter arose in 2008/2009. I have no idea if the same staff are still with the company, things may now be great and purchases and repairs dome to an excellent standard. For me though, because of my previous experience I wouldn't trust them to clean my present motorhome and I certainly would not consider purchasing one from them
 
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