Done to death SATNAG question.

[Pudsey Bear]

I used this one

 

[Geek]

There is no law saying you cannot use a phone when driving, the law is you cannot touch it while driving, so you just set it up the drive off.

No, the law says you cannot use a handheld phone. You can touch it if it is in a holder in the dash.

 

[Geek]

I'm learning from you guys that phone gps has moved on in recent years but I still think most can only use a triangulation system of mobile masts rather than true satellite gps. In general I personally think phones are great for occasional directional use but I still much prefer a satnav for the van.

You are completely and utterly wrong. No mobile phone uses mast triangulation instead of GPS.

I prefer to use an android tablet running an app rather than a phone or a dedicated satnav, but that's mostly to do with other factors. They all get GPS signal.

Phones and tablets can get the ephemeris data off the web and can use the other GPS constellations which dedicated satnavs can't do.

 

[Geek]

I have been using the app for checking your position for a number of years. I have a Lenovo tablet on the dashboard. It has inbuilt GPS and reports an accuracy of 1m which I can live with . I use IGO software from www.gpspower.net. I find the version modified by Pongo seems to work very well. You can also find map updates on a few sites. All this is free just download and try and get it working. The Pongo version of IGO also let's you put in vehicle dimensions. As the tablet uses its own GPS system it can also display a speed app as well. I have one that once launched stays on top of all the other apps. As with all android devices you can use it for other apps as well. I also have a copy of Copilot which works very well.

Yes. The difference between iGo and the other apps is the ability to allow for vehicle weight and dimensions when planning routes.

TomTom, CoPilot and Sygic also claim to do this, but the former two get it badly wrong, and the latter has its speed limits all wrong so it calculates routes wrongly.

iGo is way better than the others. However. I'm not so sure you can legally get it for free. You can indeed get it for free, but it's not legal.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

No, the law says you cannot use a handheld phone. You can touch it if it is in a holder in the dash.

It's a bit of a grey area really, you're not supposed to touch it while driving, I think you can press to receive a call and to end it, but you cannot use it while driving, there is the catch all of driving without due care and attention or whatever they call it now, it's silly really you can mess about with a radio, change a CD etc, but I'm pretty sure you cannot set a destination whilst driving, but I can't find a specific rule on it, but you can use a two way radio.

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[marchie]

It's a bit of a grey area really, you're not supposed to touch it while driving, I think you can press to receive a call and to end it, but you cannot use it while driving, there is the catch all of driving without due care and attention or whatever they call it now, it's silly really you can mess about with a radio, change a CD etc, but I'm pretty sure you cannot set a destination whilst driving, but I can't find a specific rule on it, but you can use a two way radio.

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I believe, Kev [but happy to be corrected], that the Police can book you under the ;driving without due care and attention' and/or dangerous driving for changing CDs, tuning the radio, drinking from cups/cans, retuning the Satnav etc, because whilst the driver is doing that, he is not paying full attention to the control of the car. I worked with a lad in the Bank some 41 years ago who drove through a red light becasue he was fiddling with the 8 track, and caused 'life changing injuries' to a pedestrian ...

Steve

 

[Pudsey Bear]

If they can see you doing anything they can at least stop you for a chat, but as I said it's a catch all, a few years ago they had a purge on people eating and driving, but Truck drivers are pretty much forced to eat and drink at the wheel, and it's not always just tame tea or coffee etc.

The sat nag is a grey area, if you are tapping in an address you cannot be watching the road, it's impossible, so cradle or not don't touch the phone while driving.

 

[Geek]

It's a bit of a grey area really, you're not supposed to touch it while driving, I think you can press to receive a call and to end it, but you cannot use it while driving, there is the catch all of driving without due care and attention or whatever they call it now, it's silly really you can mess about with a radio, change a CD etc, but I'm pretty sure you cannot set a destination whilst driving, but I can't find a specific rule on it, but you can use a two way radio.

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No, it isn't a grey area at all. There are two separate laws. One is about not paying attention when you are driving, and the other is very specific about mobile phones. It refers to hand held phones. If you are not holding it in your hand the situation is both clear and different.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

No, it isn't a grey area at all. There are two separate laws. One is about not paying attention when you are driving, and the other is very specific about mobile phones. It refers to hand held phones. If you are not holding it in your hand the situation is both clear and different.

I disagree, but if you think it's okay to input an address while driving crack on, I'll continue to pull over and do it.

 

[Geek]

It really doesn't matter what your opinion is (or indeed what mine is). The law about what is legal or otherwise with regards to mobile phones and driving is very specific.

The law about driving safely is a completely different matter, and that's far from specific. However case law has clarified things.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

We were discussing sat navs not just phones the two are not the same, I say both are illegal if driving do not touch the sat nav, do not dial a number, do not text or anything else.

 

[Geek]

No, you were discussing satnavs. Others, including me, were discussing the relative merits of dedicated satnavs as opposed to using a mobile phone. One of the factors is their different legal status. My car (and most other modern ones) has a built-in satnav specifically designed to be used by the driver.

 

[nabsim]

Most sat Nav don’t need to be touched these days apart from maybe turning on, voice control, same as a phone. If I say Siri navigate to ‘destination’ it does it. Not sure of command in new car as not used voice to set it yet

 

[marchie]

Most sat Nav don’t need to be touched these days apart from maybe turning on, voice control, same as a phone. If I say Siri navigate to ‘destination’ it does it. Not sure of command in new car as not used voice to set it yet

I turned the Voice Guidance off, Neil, because I react badly when the SatNav cannot find the destination, and seeing 'Foxtrot Oscar', or 'O Foxtrot Oscar'. is quite disconcerting. I never tested whether my other reaction, 'Oh fer Fecks sake' would provide a list of local brothels ...

Steve

 

[nabsim]

I turned the Voice Guidance off, Neil, because I react badly when the SatNav cannot find the destination, and seeing 'Foxtrot Oscar', or 'O Foxtrot Oscar'. is quite disconcerting. I never tested whether my other reaction, 'Oh fer Fecks sake' would provide a list of local brothels ...

Steve

Well you foreigners, what do you expect lol you want to hear Caz try to get Alexa to do stuff with her Hull accent. Works on my English no problem lol

 

[marchie]

Well you foreigners, what do you expect lol you want to hear Caz try to get Alexa to do stuff with her Hull accent. Works on my English no problem lol

I am English [well, from the Black Country, which some regard as a foreign location ... ], Neil, but Scotland is my adoptive home

Steve

 

[Geek]

Most sat Nav don’t need to be touched these days apart from maybe turning on, voice control, same as a phone. If I say Siri navigate to ‘destination’ it does it. Not sure of command in new car as not used voice to set it yet

Yes. iGo Nextgen has voice control. I tried it: it works, but I don't like it.

 

[nabsim]

I am English [well, from the Black Country, which some regard as a foreign location ... ], Neil, but Scotland is my adoptive home

Steve

The foreigner was a jest Steve

 

[Wully]

Terry dose your sat nav say go straight on at the roondaboot.

 

[marchie]

Terry dose your sat nav say go straight on at the roondaboot.

Alan Carr classic recounting the theft of his pink car and the SatNav. 'It wasn't the theft of my little pink car that hurt; it was the way that the lady from the SatNav became a total tart and transferred her affections to the thief. The last thing I hears her say as I chased thee car down the road was, 'In 100 metres, take the next left ....'

Steve