Wood Burning Pollution - Another Study about Rural Dwellers Health Risks

number14 said:
I always use the top down method. The fire establishes much quicker with no smoke.
I also buy top quality kiln dried logs which, although more expensive initially, last longer with more heat, so the overall cost is the same in the end.
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Wood stoves work out about 4 times more costly than proper regulated oil fired sys, maybe ok for xmas day etc but not a lot of use for every day use.
 
tonybvi said:
I’m very lucky in that I have access to a forest adjacent to my land. With permission the wood I cut from there is left out in reasonable lengths for at least a year. I then cut them into log lengths and split and store them in the dry for at least another 2 years before burning. This ensures that the wood is fully seasoned. Couple this with using the top down method to light our log burners and it really does reduce emissions. The chimney doesn’t smoke at all once the fire is burning properly.
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trevskoda said:
Wood stoves work out about 4 times more costly than proper regulated oil fired sys, maybe ok for xmas day etc but not a lot of use for every day use.
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Unless you have access to a free supply of woodland logs and the space to store them for seasoning then I agree that log burning is not an economical heating option.

We light our log burner most evenings in the winter and totally enjoy the cozy warmth. No way is it cheaper than the gas CH but it's an extravagance that we allow ourselves in our retirement.

We would save money by relying solely on the gas CH and, In much the same way, we could sell our moho and profit from investing the capital and save on running costs, but where's the fun in that?

You're a long time dead!
 
trevskoda said:
Wood stoves work out about 4 times more costly than proper regulated oil fired sys, maybe ok for xmas day etc but not a lot of use for every day use.
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I beg to differ I have a wood burner my leccy is a lot less in the winter than the summer I can get through a dumpy bag or more a week the fire is on 24/7 during the winter three bed room house it heats it from top to bottom and all the hot water I need I must admit the wood is all free lol 🤣 🤣 🤣
 
Greengrass said:
I beg to differ I have a wood burner my leccy is a lot less in the winter than the summer I can get through a dumpy bag or more a week the fire is on 24/7 during the winter three bed room house it heats it from top to bottom and all the hot water I need I must admit the wood is all free lol 🤣 🤣 🤣
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That makes a differance but im in and out so no use here unless i hire a butler to feed the beast and clean up ashes, more than 30 years back i cut my parkray out and went to regulated oil sys, now i can come and go as i please and the house is always warm when i return, but to each there own. (y)
 
Makes you think you don't know what to think don't it. I remember getting thick fog (smog) in cities when I was younger. We nearly all had coal fires and fumes were belching out from virtually every business. And yet we are all still here. hmmm

Ok, I do have slight emphysema but I worked in and extremely dusty environment for a quarter of a century and used to smoke between 40 and 60 fags a day
 
nabsim said:
Makes you think you don't know what to think don't it. I remember getting thick fog (smog) in cities when I was younger. We nearly all had coal fires and fumes were belching out from virtually every business. And yet we are all still here. hmmm

Ok, I do have slight emphysema but I worked in and extremely dusty environment for a quarter of a century and used to smoke between 40 and 60 fags a day
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You say we are all still here,maybe, but those smogs killed thousands some winters.
I'm a wood burner, but live on a fairly exposed hillside in the country. I wouldn't impose it on my neighbours if I lived in a city, although I only burn hardwood that I've seasoned for 2 summers, so little smoke.
 
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Interesting read, I wonder how long before they want to ban them or at least tax them?
Personally our stove runs 24hours a day and provides all our heating and hot water from oct-apr with solar taking over for the summer months. Dry wood is the key we currently have five years worth cut and chopped, it will spend two years stacked outside before being stacked inside then burnt.
I am always intrigued by what heat source is used for kiln dried logs? Is that green or efficient?
I get warm:-
When I cut it
Then when I chop it
Moving and stacking
Then when I burn it
We don’t use a stove fan because by design the back boiler/ water jacket distributes the heat evenly throughout the radiators in the house
No doubt the eco warriors think it’s wrong and blame me for global warming but we don’t use any gas, coal or oil the bottom line is there is just too may people on this tiny planet
 
Wighttyne said:
Interesting read, I wonder how long before they want to ban them or at least tax them?
Personally our stove runs 24hours a day and provides all our heating and hot water from oct-apr with solar taking over for the summer months. Dry wood is the key we currently have five years worth cut and chopped, it will spend two years stacked outside before being stacked inside then burnt.
I am always intrigued by what heat source is used for kiln dried logs? Is that green or efficient?
I get warm:-
When I cut it
Then when I chop it
Moving and stacking
Then when I burn it
We don’t use a stove fan because by design the back boiler/ water jacket distributes the heat evenly throughout the radiators in the house
No doubt the eco warriors think it’s wrong and blame me for global warming but we don’t use any gas, coal or oil the bottom line is there is just too may people on this tiny planet
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A lot of time wasted when you could be out in the van, i just ph a truck with a big tank on the back, 15 mins,sorted, wallet is emptied mind you.
 
Emissions are not just smoke. Most emissions are invisible, as car exhausts show. So just because you can't see smoke, emissions are still there.
 
I always check the moisture level on the logs I use and normally its around 15% or less. There is no need to use kiln dried wood, that just wastes energy at the point it is dried and I do not know how efficient the kilns actually are. Just cut the wood down to the length you need and split it, then stack it under well ventilated cover. Silver Birch, Ash, pine and even Oak get down to 15% in 6 months from Spring to Autumn.
Occasionally you see reports about pollution from wood burners, but the media never reports the conditions in which the measurements of air pollution are taken. For instance, how many people in the survey area still burn wood on an open fire. That is definitely a nono and how many people use wet, painted or preservative impregnated wood. Some even use chipboard and fibre board on fires, buts that's a bit of a waste of time as it burns poorly anyway. Pallets that are not painted or treated, are probably fine, but I very rarely get access to any, so no personal experience.
HurricaneSmith said:
Like so many others, we've a log burner too, and use kiln dried logs that have rested for a while.

Stove fans are increasingly popular, varying from £17 (Chinese) to £80 (Canadian).

Do you find your stove fan makes a significant difference, please?
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We used to have a Clearview stove with fan and it did spread the warm air around. We since moved and here the existing stove is a Burley, which has convection tubes in the top and the top plate does not get hot enough. Last stove fan we had was from Lidl, very cheap and effective.
 
number14 said:
Unless you have access to a free supply of woodland logs and the space to store them for seasoning then I agree that log burning is not an economical heating option.

We light our log burner most evenings in the winter and totally enjoy the cozy warmth. No way is it cheaper than the gas CH but it's an extravagance that we allow ourselves in our retirement.

We would save money by relying solely on the gas CH and, In much the same way, we could sell our moho and profit from investing the capital and save on running costs, but where's the fun in that?

You're a long time dead!
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As I only use wood that I can get for free, (Storm Darren should keep us going next Winter) the wood burner certainly saves us money . The central heating thermostat is in the kitchen/diner and with the fire going in the living room with the door open to the diner it soon switches off the heating. The stainless steel insulated flue, goes through our bedroom, so that is also kept warm. As an aside, I get very soot when I sweep the chimney every Autumn, so the moisture content of the wood I prepare must be about right.
 
bjh said:
As I only use wood that I can get for free, (Storm Darren should keep us going next Winter) the wood burner certainly saves us money . The central heating thermostat is in the kitchen/diner and with the fire going in the living room with the door open to the diner it soon switches off the heating. The stainless steel insulated flue, goes through our bedroom, so that is also kept warm. As an aside, I get very soot when I sweep the chimney every Autumn, so the moisture content of the wood I prepare must be about right.
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I posted 3 links to woodstove pollution, especially PM2.5 pollution, earlier in this thread. The BMJ link is here, with several links to UK and European studies that show the pollution and lung damage

BMJ Woodstove Pollution

Steve
 
We have a wood burner, no central heating, no boilers and live in an old cotswold cottage, no wall insulation, no double glazing, the attic is double sealed. The wb has a back boiler which gives us lovely hot water, no belching smoke comes out of our chimney and we burn seasoned logs most of which are residue from the trees felled on the local estate which we store in rotation.
I think lots of us could get political about the emissions of wood burners, cars etc etc etc, I think the damage done to global warming can and will be stunted but probably not enough. Just having a say!
 
In the new year I am going to get a big ware house then fill it to the roof with cotton wool and bubble wrap Think I will make a fortune the way some people go on that's what we will all be wrapped in before long 🤣 🤣 🤣
 
Greengrass said:
In the new year I am going to get a big ware house then fill it to the roof with cotton wool and bubble wrap Think I will make a fortune the way some people go on that's what we will all be wrapped in before long 🤣 🤣 🤣
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You won't be allowed to use bubble wrap, its nasty plastic:). I wonder if its ok to burn cotton wool in a fuel fired stove?
 
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