Emissions restrictions in EU and UK HELP!

[Wrighpm]

Hi,
We paid a deposit on motorhome based on a Fiat Ducato 2015. Initially we were advised by the dealer it was LEZ compliant. It had a Euro5 b or d engine.
Upon entering the registration I discovered that English LEZ zones would charge a daily charge and Glasgow would impose fines.
I have no particular desire to ever go to Glasgow city centre as we would use bus or train.
However more concerned about the EU. Would this be a significant issue and be unwise to buy this.

I should say the dealer is not quibbling a full refund of my deposit.
We like the motorhome but do not know whether to proceed or not.
Any help or thoughts would be welcome.

 

[TJBi]

Hi,
We paid a deposit on motorhome based on a Fiat Ducato 2015. Initially we were advised by the dealer it was LEZ compliant. It had a Euro5 b or d engine.
Upon entering the registration I discovered that English LEZ zones would charge a daily charge and Glasgow would impose fines.
I have no particular desire to ever go to Glasgow city centre as we would use bus or train.
However more concerned about the EU. Would this be a significant issue and be unwise to buy this.

I should say the dealer is not quibbling a full refund of my deposit.
We like the motorhome but do not know whether to proceed or not.
Any help or thoughts would be welcome.

It looks as though Euro 5 equates to the French Crit'Air 2, in which case you should meet current requirements even in Greater Paris. Check at https://mieuxrespirerenville.gouv.fr/fiches-thematique/se-deplacer/zfe-francaises just in case there are any tighter restrictions anywhere in France.

 

[Wrighpm]

Motorhome was 1st registered 01/04/2015 , does that mean it is a Euro5? My V5 is blank at the Euro status section....

 

[korky]

Motorhome was 1st registered 01/04/2015 , does that mean it is a Euro5? My V5 is blank at the Euro status section....

My Ducato is 2012 and Euro5. Just get the Critair sticker and Umvelt one for Germany and you're good to go. Don't worry about the V5, they work out your status by the registration date AFAIK. A few European cities now have clean air zones as does the UK, I've honestly not found it a problem.

 

[marchie]

It looks as though Euro 5 equates to the French Crit'Air 2, in which case you should meet current requirements even in Greater Paris. Check at https://mieuxrespirerenville.gouv.fr/fiches-thematique/se-deplacer/zfe-francaises just in case there are any tighter restrictions anywhere in France.

We are Euro 5, French Crit'Air Cat 2, on a 01/06/2016 Burstner on a Fiat Chassis. There is no reference on our V5 to the Euro 5 rating, nor any emissions data, but we have had no problems so far. We live in Scotland and await the expansion of the Scottish Local Exclusion [Emissions] Zone by crossing each city and its stupid system of fines off our visits list. Why visit Scotland with its crass approach to LEZs, its awful weather, and its grasping Councils/Campsite Owners, when we can travel south to France, Portugal and Spain for better weather, free aires, cheaper food, diesel and lpg, more welcoming people, and respond by supporting local businesses

Steve

 

[Ardachaidh]

Why visit Scotland with its crass approach to LEZs, its awful weather, and its grasping Councils/Campsite Owners, when we can travel south to France, Portugal and Spain for better weather, free aires, cheaper food, diesel and lpg, more welcoming people, and respond by supporting local businesses

I live in Scotland too, and I’ve heard there is some stunning scenery, superb remote beaches, plenty of quiet roads away from cities, (although a young Spanish woman we met in Monfragüe said Inverness was her all-time favourite, and many others said the weather was fine), the people I meet in rural Scotland are friendly - just as when hiking in Spain or in small villages everyone says “hello”, “enjoy your walk - while we don’t have many Aires, overnighting away from the NC500 is tolerated still, and some smaller campsites, such as the 5-vanners are reasonable value, there’s world class hiking, climbing, MTB-ing, and canoeing - even some decent road cycling - and superb whisky. And we always spend some money locally wherever we go.

What’s not to like? But feel free to slag us off - or maybe think about moving elsewhere if it’s so bad.

 

[Smokaijo]

Looking forward to spending time in Scotland and Orkney - seeing my cousin who is in the Highlands we are Euro 5 - we just take it as it comes loving the landscape .

 

[TJBi]

I live in Scotland too, and I’ve heard there is some stunning scenery, superb remote beaches, plenty of quiet roads away from cities, (although a young Spanish woman we met in Monfragüe said Inverness was her all-time favourite, and many others said the weather was fine), the people I meet in rural Scotland are friendly - just as when hiking in Spain or in small villages everyone says “hello”, “enjoy your walk - while we don’t have many Aires, overnighting away from the NC500 is tolerated still, and some smaller campsites, such as the 5-vanners are reasonable value, there’s world class hiking, climbing, MTB-ing, and canoeing - even some decent road cycling - and superb whisky. And we always spend some money locally wherever we go.

What’s not to like? But feel free to slag us off - or maybe think about moving elsewhere if it’s so bad.

I think that @marchie had the right idea. If you encourage too many people to visit Scotland, it could get overrun.

 

[Norfolk NewBoy]

Free aires are great BUT the ferry to Spain might cost £1000

 

[marchie]

It looks as though Euro 5 equates to the French Crit'Air 2, in which case you should meet current requirements even in Greater Paris. Check at https://mieuxrespirerenville.gouv.fr/fiches-thematique/se-deplacer/zfe-francaises just in case there are any tighter restrictions anywhere in France.

We are Euro 5, French Crit'Air Cat 2, on a 01/06/2016 Burstner on a Fiat Chassis. There is no reference on our V5 to the Euro 5 rating, nor any emissions data, but we have had no problems so far. We live in Scotland and await the expansion of the Scottish Local Exclusion [Emissions] Zone by crossing each city and its stupid system of fines off our visits list. Why visit Scotland with its crass approach to LEZs, its awful weather, and its grasping Councils/Campsite Owners, when we can travel south to France, Portugal and Spain for better weather, free aires, cheaper food, diesel and lpg, more welcoming people, and respond by supporting local businesses

Steve

Free aires are great BUT the ferry to Spain might cost £1000

And it might not ... We bought 2 x single trip tickets and paid £842 in total. 57 nights trip and all on free aires

Steve

 

[CriftinsCampers]

@Wrighpm
If there’s anything missing on the V5 this is a massive red flag, the van can’t always be correctly identified by ANPR cameras, and hence may well generate fines, ditto abroad.

I see this all the time with the ex Ambulances I am involved with as a result of the dealership not registering the vehicles properly, usually it’s Euro status, emmisions and revenue weights missing sometimes all three

This causes weeks sometimes months of problems for the new owners trying to change the vans taxation class from ambulance to PLG or PHGV.
DVLA usually requires a certificate of conformity from the manufacturer to enter the Euro and emmisions info which for M1 vans also determines the VED rate.

Some people struggle to get this sorted either because of difficulty getting the correct paperwork from the manufacturer and/or because of mutual stupidity when interacting with the DVLA!

Until sorted this causes problems in emmisions zones because the vehicle isn’t identifiable so defaults to a fine, and also, and as mentioned, for people stupid enough to buy vans that have the vehicle type of M1, without checking first, they may not even know the correct VED to pay, finding out it’s £700+ after buying isn’t funny!

You did not say what it plated at some zones have zero cost for euro V PLG but not for PHGV vans, Portsmouth for example is £50 a day.

So if already plated > 3500kg or you intend to up plate then go for something Euro VI with nothing missing on the V5.