'Airbag' Air suspension systems - how good are they?

marchie

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Waiting for a detailed quote for the supply and installation of an Airbag Air Suspension System that fit over the 'bump stops' area for our Burstner Ixeo IT590 5.99m M/Home. The nose has always dived when travelling around continental traffic islands, and long bends, and I hope that the basic air suspension will stiffen the ride up.

Steve
 
I too have had them fitted to our geriatric tin tent. I ordered them off ebay and had a local garage ( the one who guides us through its mot each year !!) install them, an hour and a half to do the job, and they have made a wonderful difference to the 'vans suspenders, I just top up the air once a year and all is good
 
I have a on board compressor to inflate or drop if required to level out in some areas
That sounds like the set up we're hoping to order, Gordon. I watched a very brief demo at Logan Vehicle Services yesterday morning, with Graham levelling the suspension across the van whilst it was parked with the offside parked on a kerbed area.

Steve
 
I bought a basic rear kit off eBay (£200) and added a compressor solenoid valves switches and dual digital gauge...this allows me to raise or lower each side independently....Great for levelling.
The ride is massively improved from the original set up
 
We had a couple of vans with it on, seems to help with the crashing over bumps on crappy roads, go for it, don't overinflate though.
 
I have AS rear air on my van with in cab controls and twin gauges to raise and lower, (compressor under drivers seat). It was fitted already when I got the van so can't say what difference it makes, However... I saw loads of stuff online about Sprinters moving around when overtaken/overtaken etc but mine is rock solid
 
We've had AS air suspension on a few vans and it certainly helps the ride on a Ducato chassis, minimised the side sway from HGV's. The taller the van the more difference it makes especially when its blowing a gale. As for levelling, the adjustment isn't huge but it does help.
 
funnily enough steve im going to logan’s tomorrow to have my new axle fitted by graham. i upgraded the weight limit on my van about 5 years ago 16” wheels and the air bellows were the requested physical improvements, on mine the rubber stops were removed and replaced by the bellows as above really does make a difference to road holding cornering in particular the body roll or sway is no more, i ride with mine slightly hard at 4 bar as thats my preference though the 3 setting was good. with the bent axle i run the undamaged side at 2 bar and the bent side at 4 to equalise the handling
 
funnily enough steve im going to logan’s tomorrow to have my new axle fitted by graham. i upgraded the weight limit on my van about 5 years ago 16” wheels and the air bellows were the requested physical improvements, on mine the rubber stops were removed and replaced by the bellows as above really does make a difference to road holding cornering in particular the body roll or sway is no more, i ride with mine slightly hard at 4 bar as thats my preference though the 3 setting was good. with the bent axle i run the undamaged side at 2 bar and the bent side at 4 to equalise the handling
I mentioned to Lisa that I thought you were either about to visit or had visited recently ...

We've accepted the quote today for the suspension and are waiting for a quote for an upgraded solar panel so that we can use the inverter and lithium without panicking :ROFLMAO:

Steve
 
I had ais suspension fitted before our trip around the WAW as the Irish roads are a nightmare .You think there's something wrong with you hearing when you return as it's so quiet
 
I decided to go for the full self levelling suspension. It cost £6k but for a £90k van I decided it was worth it. As well as providing better ride and handling the ability just to press a button to level when parked is a boon. If the ground isn't level I even level during a short lunch stop. Also helpful to be able to lift the rear when doing a 3 point turn near raised banks and getting on and off ferries. It can even tilt the van to help drain the grey water tank.
 
There are two different things, which it is best not to confuse.

Air assist is little airbags that replace the bump stops and leave the springs doing the work. I've no experience of these, but I guess they are stiffening the springs and may make things better.

Air suspension is where the springs are removed and replaced with air springs. This costs a fair bit more but is truly wonderful. You get a smoother, quieter ride, much less sway and of course and even ride height whatever the load.. The only downside is that after a few days parked up, you have to wait three to five minutes for the air pump to refill the air tank.

Oh, and that there is much more to go wrong. On mine, over a period of about fifteen years, I have replaced the pump twice, the air springs twice and the air tank once. Only the pump was expensive. And I've also replaced the long parabolic "springs" twice. They're not expensive, but have to be custom forged, so the van is off the road for a few weeks whilst they make them.

As it happens, I travelled on our local village bus service this afternoon. It's a fairly new bus, based on a Mercedes Sprinter with a nice smooth, powerful engine, and the ride near the front is fine, but sit near the back and its an entirely different story.

Every bump or pothole smashes through the frame of the bus. Lights are rattled off the ceiling.

It's awful. The drivers bemoan the cheapskate approach of not specifying air suspension,
 
I decided to go for the full self levelling suspension. It cost £6k but for a £90k van I decided it was worth it. As well as providing better ride and handling the ability just to press a button to level when parked is a boon. If the ground isn't level I even level during a short lunch stop. Also helpful to be able to lift the rear when doing a 3 point turn near raised banks and getting on and off ferries. It can even tilt the van to help drain the grey water tank.
Our M/Home is definitely*not* a £90k vehicle, it's about 1/2 that price and, at 5.99m, not prone to grounding! The main purpose is to eliminate/minimise body roll on bends/roundabouts et al, but the tilt to drain the grey water is a good tip. Thanks!

Steve
 
I contacted AS Air suspension a few years ago to check what pressure I should be running at. Gave them the registration and they said they fitted it 12 years ago. It's now at least another 3 years on so 15 years with nothing needed. I am touching wood as I type :)
 
Oh, and that there is much more to go wrong. On mine, over a period of about fifteen years, I have replaced the pump twice, the air springs twice and the air tank once. Only the pump was expensive. And I've also replaced the long parabolic "springs" twice. They're not expensive, but have to be custom forged, so the van is off the road for a few weeks whilst they make them.
Perhaps I should have mentioned that the air suspension had been fitted more than ten years before I bought the van, so the bits seem to last fifteen years at a time.

The new bits are significantly beefier than the originals, with the compressor being rated for a 100% duty cycle at 100psi (though it does go a fair bit higher pressure than that and has a duty cycle under 2%). The air springs are larger, so they can run at a lower pressure. Can't feel any difference, though.

The control valves have never given any grief: they nestle in an oily metal box under the driver's seat.
 
Perhaps I should have mentioned that the air suspension had been fitted more than ten years before I bought the van, so the bits seem to last fifteen years at a time.

The new bits are significantly beefier than the originals, with the compressor being rated for a 100% duty cycle at 100psi (though it does go a fair bit higher pressure than that and has a duty cycle under 2%). The air springs are larger, so they can run at a lower pressure. Can't feel any difference, though.

The control valves have never given any grief: they nestle in an oily metal box under the driver's seat.
Damn, you only said that to get me worried didn't you :)

Mine is only rear assist though so a different beast
 
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