(H2ICE) Hydrogen powered internal combustion vehicles.

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Time they had their own thread now I think some development seems to be moving away from H2EVs at least on the heavy equipment side, JCB for instance, Now Cummins, and it can't be long before Caterpillar, Volvo etc and the Asian manufacturers follow suit with announcements.

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I saw a report in an engineering magazine earlier this year (i was browsing in a shop waiting for Pat) that Toyota are working On a hydrogen car engine solution at the moment and also working with Yamaha who have just produced a V8 hydrogen engine they are playing with. Also, China committed to developing hydrogen engines two years ago as I recall and were experimenting with a tiny diesel engine producing hydrogen for a running hydrogen cell fuelling a HGV. So the emissions of the small engine were a fraction of the larger traditional engine. All progress in the right direction imho


Whilst there will always be a certain amount of Nox whenever your burning anything, it will be extremely low from a hydrogen engined compared to a fossil fuel and its the way to go for me rather than digging up the planet and creating more toxic waste in the pretence of saving it.

Still think the push should be on converting vehicles to alternative fuel in the first place, but that doesn't create as huge an industry as the brand new vehicle one that extensively uses oil to create all of its plastic and composite materials., which cynically I think is what is really going on!

I'm at an age where all of this actually might have been a dream but whatever; that's exhausted my limited knowledge base!! :)

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Aberdeen First Bus now has 25 hydrogen buses in its fleet. The first arrived several years ago and has notched up over 1 million miles in service. Aberdeenshire Council has also been running seven hydrogen cars for around 4 years. All this has been possible because there are 2 hydrogen filling stations in the city.
 
tonybvi said:
Aberdeen First Bus now has 25 hydrogen buses in its fleet. The first arrived several years ago and has notched up over 1 million miles in service. Aberdeenshire Council has also been running seven hydrogen cars for around 4 years. All this has been possible because there are 2 hydrogen filling stations in the city.
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Are they electric or Combustion engined?
 
Pudsey Bear said:
Are they electric or Combustion engined?
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No idea - they are described as fuel cell zero emission buses (see attached screen shots).


IMG_1253.pngIMG_1252.png First Aberdeenshire also have a fleet of electric buses and they now state that over 50% of their fleet in Aberdeen is zero emission.
 
If it's a fuel cell they use them to make electricity, so just a big EV in reality, the tech is now more advanced to create truck engine, Hopefully, there is work being done to convert petrol engines and maybe diesel too.

Not sure how much torque they kick out, trucks and busses need torque.
 
Forget converting internal combustion engines (ICE). They are inherently inefficient! My EV does between 4 and 4.5 miles per kWh. The best ICE does maybe 1.2 miles per kWh.(about 55 to 60 mpg). That is an impossible bridge to cross. Doesn't matter what the fuel is you need a lot more for an ICE even allowing for generating losses, hence more cost to the planet. I am sure fuel cell technology or others, will develop further and provide the power for the electric motor. In the meantime fit solar panels and charge those batteries.😇
 
bjh said:
Forget converting internal combustion engines (ICE). They are inherently inefficient! My EV does between 4 and 4.5 miles per kWh. The best ICE does maybe 1.2 miles per kWh.(about 55 to 60 mpg). That is an impossible bridge to cross. Doesn't matter what the fuel is you need a lot more for an ICE even allowing for generating losses, hence more cost to the planet. I am sure fuel cell technology or others, will develop further and provide the power for the electric motor. In the meantime fit solar panels and charge those batteries.😇
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I'm on the fence with that, however it would certainly be more efficient if you could take your existing car in to some company and drive it out (eventually) with a fully workignH2ICE car, rather than waste what must be a huge amount of energy firstly scrapping the car, then manufacturing a whole new one which doesn't really do anything different.
 
Pudsey Bear said:
If it's a fuel cell they use them to make electricity, so just a big EV in reality, the tech is now more advanced to create truck engine, Hopefully, there is work being done to convert petrol engines and maybe diesel too.

Not sure how much torque they kick out, trucks and busses need torque.
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Plenty torque on electric motors Kev. The downside of hydrogen ice is less efficiency but depending on how the hydrogen is produced that’s not so bad. If they can produce hydrogen solely from solar and wind it may mean they don’t need battery storage for power which would be good for the planet, just needing hydrogen storage.

Now, can we get joined up thinking is another matter, it’s been in short supply to date
 
Kev have a look on YouTube for the poster Stapleton42 and take a look at his Hydrogen Powered Muscle Truck video👍

I want two lol
 
I dunno why you would want one of those, as you say you need two at least.
 
Read recently about what they are calling white hydrogen - naturally occurring almost pure hydrogen under the earths crust, in very large quantities. Mostly very deep, but some found as little as 300m underground. If this has not been over-hyped it could be a real game changer.
 
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