Induction hobs?

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Hi everyone. I'm starting a new build in a Mercedes minibus and I've decided to go for an induction hob. Has anyone else installed this in their van and could fill me in with the pros and cons of the use of induction hob over conventional gas/electrical units. Thanks in advance guys.
 
I installed a 2kw induction hob in my campervan. It runs off my Giandel PSW inverter. It is very power hungry and you leisure battery charge won't last to long running it. You can work out the power it will drain from your battery. e.g I have a 110aH AGM leisure battery so the most it can be drisharged to is 50% which gives me a total of 55Ah which mean I can draw 55Ah at 12v for an hours the the battery should be recharged. To work out the current draw for your induction oven that would be 2000w/230v = 8.7 Amps at mains voltage. Then times that by approx 20 to get the DC amp draw which equals approximately 173A @ 12v which might give you 20mins at most running the induction hob assuming your inverter can cope with that. Remember also, that the hob switches on and off during the cooking process and your inverter will only be 90% efficient at best, so these factors also affect power consumption.
There used to be lower powered induction hobs sold by Maplins but these are not available since they went out of business. I have a 2kW induction made by Steba (German make) and it sits flush on the worktop. I intend to only use mine on a hook-up. I also use a small 650W conventional min oven which works a treat for pizza and croissants. It uses around 57A but I only use it for about 10mins at time.
 
Hi everyone. I'm starting a new build in a Mercedes minibus and I've decided to go for an induction hob. Has anyone else installed this in their van and could fill me in with the pros and cons of the use of induction hob over conventional gas/electrical units. Thanks in advance guys.
This is MY take on the subject ...

I have a 2kW Induction Hob in my conversion and am very pleased with it.

Pros:
  • Speed - Just about all the energy put out by the Induction Hob goes towards heating the food/liquid, unlike Gas where most of the energy goes to heating the surrounding area. This means that a kettle will boil much faster for example. (I fill the kettle with 2 mugs worth of water, put it on the hob at around 1000W setting and by the time I have put a teabag in one cup, spoon of coffer in the other and got the fridge, the water is boiling)
  • Cost - An electric Induction Hob can be bought for a lot less money than a Gas Hob. I bought mine as a Maplins clearance for £25. A Gas hob is generally over £200
  • Cleaner and Safer - Smooth glass surface to wipe and no naked flames

Cons:
  • Power - You obviously need enough battery bank capacity to power the hob - both in terms of power used and current drawn. as jimcamper points out, a 2kW Induction Hob can pull a high current. He calculates at around 173A - I can pull close to 200A with mine once the inverter is factored in and that is a high current (too high) to pull off a typical battery bank.
  • Inverter - You need an inverter to be able to deliver this. And again as jimcamper says, the hob goes on and off in use so you cannot decide to limit the setting at 1000W say and get a smaller inverter - the hob will deliver 1000W by running at 2000W for a few seconds, and then off for a few seconds to average 1000W.
    I found with mine at lower power (say 600W) it will go between 0W and 1000W on and off, but above 1000W it will go between off and 2000W, but different hobs have different power patterns.
    The Inverter should really be a Pure Sine Wave, but people have reported using a MSW successfully (again that mght be hob-dependant)
  • Cost - you save on the cooker, but you need to spend on the Inverter and Battery
  • Need Ferrous cookware. Typical camping pots won't work
The Inverter & Power are not a factor if you will only use on hookup of course.
You can get low-power portable Induction Hobs as well. I also have a pair of 500W Portable hobs (one from Maplins, one from Lakeland, actually identical except for labelling) which work well, albeit slower of course (but still faster than gas). One of these could let you get away with a smaller inverter and if used for boiling water and heating soup and beans for snacks rather than full meals can be used with a pretty normal sized battery.


I chose Induction over Gas for a number of reasons:
  1. I just didn't want plumbed-in gas in my conversion (my van, my choice)
  2. I needed a decent sized Battery Bank and large Inverter anyway to provide off-grid workshop facilities.
  3. Given #2, adding an Induction Hob didn't make my Battery Bank and Inverter needs any greater and allowed my to use my investment in #2 when I was in 'Leisure Mode'
In my previous conversion, I had a Smev 2-ring gas hob and a pair of 110Ah AGM Batteries. I found I could use the portable 500W Induction hob very well in that van and tended to use that where possible and being portable, let me use it in the awning.
In my current conversion, I use the 2kW Induction inside (drop-fixed into the worktop), and if cooking outside use the portable Inductions or a BBQ. I carry a cheap portable gas cartridge stove as a backup but that only gets used if I need an extra 'ring', not for energy problems (except once, when the heater wasn't working - used the gas stove to boil a kettle as the excess heat from the gas warmed up the van a treat ;) )
 
We have a small one that we bought when an electrical retailer was closing down, Maplins I think, which was great when we were in Portugal with leccy ( I did have an adaptor plate so that we could use our existing pans though) to save on gas but it drains too much from our batteries, so it's back on the shelf for now.
 
I know it's only one use, but I presume a conventional electric plastic kettle will be more efficient for making a cuppa right?

I'd keep gas hob/grill/oven, but sometimes use alexa to turn the kettle on in the winter. I don't think induction would save any energy would it?
 
I think Induction is more efficient than an electric ring as that heats up itself to transfer heat.
Kettles ... I would think the same would be true of a kettle element as well actually, but the ones which are exposed and so immersed (like a water heater element) would be very close? Don't tend to see those often anymore as prone to furring up though.
But electric over gas more efficient? deffo.

Here you go as a experiment (I love experiments and people who do them :D )

This Russian fella here is interesting as well. And funnily for me, he has got a very similar setup to me in many ways coincidently for Cooking, Water Heating and IKEA furniture!
 
I think Induction is more efficient than an electric ring as that heats up itself to transfer heat.
Kettles ... I would think the same would be true of a kettle element as well actually, but the ones which are exposed and so immersed (like a water heater element) would be very close? Don't tend to see those often anymore as prone to furring up though.
But electric over gas more efficient? deffo.

Here you go as a experiment (I love experiments and people who do them :D )

This Russian fella here is interesting as well. And funnily for me, he has got a very similar setup to me in many ways coincidently for Cooking, Water Heating and IKEA furniture!
Thank you for that Wildebus much appreciated.
 
I know it's only one use, but I presume a conventional electric plastic kettle will be more efficient for making a cuppa right?

I'd keep gas hob/grill/oven, but sometimes use alexa to turn the kettle on in the winter. I don't think induction would save any energy would it?
Thank you St3v3 food for thought.😉👍
 
We have a small one that we bought when an electrical retailer was closing down, Maplins I think, which was great when we were in Portugal with leccy ( I did have an adaptor plate so that we could use our existing pans though) to save on gas but it drains too much from our batteries, so it's back on the shelf for now.
Thank you Oppy, appreciate that.👍😉
 
This is MY take on the subject ...

I have a 2kW Induction Hob in my conversion and am very pleased with it.

Pros:
  • Speed - Just about all the energy put out by the Induction Hob goes towards heating the food/liquid, unlike Gas where most of the energy goes to heating the surrounding area. This means that a kettle will boil much faster for example. (I fill the kettle with 2 mugs worth of water, put it on the hob at around 1000W setting and by the time I have put a teabag in one cup, spoon of coffer in the other and got the fridge, the water is boiling)
  • Cost - An electric Induction Hob can be bought for a lot less money than a Gas Hob. I bought mine as a Maplins clearance for £25. A Gas hob is generally over £200
  • Cleaner and Safer - Smooth glass surface to wipe and no naked flames

Cons:
  • Power - You obviously need enough battery bank capacity to power the hob - both in terms of power used and current drawn. as jimcamper points out, a 2kW Induction Hob can pull a high current. He calculates at around 173A - I can pull close to 200A with mine once the inverter is factored in and that is a high current (too high) to pull off a typical battery bank.
  • Inverter - You need an inverter to be able to deliver this. And again as jimcamper says, the hob goes on and off in use so you cannot decide to limit the setting at 1000W say and get a smaller inverter - the hob will deliver 1000W by running at 2000W for a few seconds, and then off for a few seconds to average 1000W.
    I found with mine at lower power (say 600W) it will go between 0W and 1000W on and off, but above 1000W it will go between off and 2000W, but different hobs have different power patterns.
    The Inverter should really be a Pure Sine Wave, but people have reported using a MSW successfully (again that mght be hob-dependant)
  • Cost - you save on the cooker, but you need to spend on the Inverter and Battery
  • Need Ferrous cookware. Typical camping pots won't work
The Inverter & Power are not a factor if you will only use on hookup of course.
You can get low-power portable Induction Hobs as well. I also have a pair of 500W Portable hobs (one from Maplins, one from Lakeland, actually identical except for labelling) which work well, albeit slower of course (but still faster than gas). One of these could let you get away with a smaller inverter and if used for boiling water and heating soup and beans for snacks rather than full meals can be used with a pretty normal sized battery.


I chose Induction over Gas for a number of reasons:
  1. I just didn't want plumbed-in gas in my conversion (my van, my choice)
  2. I needed a decent sized Battery Bank and large Inverter anyway to provide off-grid workshop facilities.
  3. Given #2, adding an Induction Hob didn't make my Battery Bank and Inverter needs any greater and allowed my to use my investment in #2 when I was in 'Leisure Mode'
In my previous conversion, I had a Smev 2-ring gas hob and a pair of 110Ah AGM Batteries. I found I could use the portable 500W Induction hob very well in that van and tended to use that where possible and being portable, let me use it in the awning.
In my current conversion, I use the 2kW Induction inside (drop-fixed into the worktop), and if cooking outside use the portable Inductions or a BBQ. I carry a cheap portable gas cartridge stove as a backup but that only gets used if I need an extra 'ring', not for energy problems (except once, when the heater wasn't working - used the gas stove to boil a kettle as the excess heat from the gas warmed up the van a treat ;) )
Thank you Wildebus. 😉👍
 
I installed a 2kw induction hob in my campervan. It runs off my Giandel PSW inverter. It is very power hungry and you leisure battery charge won't last to long running it. You can work out the power it will drain from your battery. e.g I have a 110aH AGM leisure battery so the most it can be drisharged to is 50% which gives me a total of 55Ah which mean I can draw 55Ah at 12v for an hours the the battery should be recharged. To work out the current draw for your induction oven that would be 2000w/230v = 8.7 Amps at mains voltage. Then times that by approx 20 to get the DC amp draw which equals approximately 173A @ 12v which might give you 20mins at most running the induction hob assuming your inverter can cope with that. Remember also, that the hob switches on and off during the cooking process and your inverter will only be 90% efficient at best, so these factors also affect power consumption.
There used to be lower powered induction hobs sold by Maplins but these are not available since they went out of business. I have a 2kW induction made by Steba (German make) and it sits flush on the worktop. I intend to only use mine on a hook-up. I also use a small 650W conventional min oven which works a treat for pizza and croissants. It uses around 57A but I only use it for about 10mins at time.
Thank you Jimcamper was the lower power anymore economical?👍😉
 
I have a Tefal single induction hob. It claims to have 9 power settings from 450w to 2100w. I believe these are genuine power levels, not full power switched on and off to give equivalent power because I have used it on a 6 amp supply and it worked fine up to level 4 or 5. When I went above this it tripped the 6a breaker. I got it from Amazon for £35, it's currently nearer £50 but Amazon change prices regularly. I would definitely recommend it.
 
I have a Tefal single induction hob. It claims to have 9 power settings from 450w to 2100w. I believe these are genuine power levels, not full power switched on and off to give equivalent power because I have used it on a 6 amp supply and it worked fine up to level 4 or 5. When I went above this it tripped the 6a breaker. I got it from Amazon for £35, it's currently nearer £50 but Amazon change prices regularly. I would definitely recommend it.
That is interesting, and for use with an inverter would be very handy rather than one that cycles.
I find you can tell quite easily if it cycles or not by watching the pan and see if the water in the pan go through the bubbling/not bubbling cycle repeatedly at the lower settings. The 2kW one I have in my camper does that, and all the rings on the induction hob in the range in the kitchen do that as well. (not sure about the 500W portable ones. I will have to check those :) )
 
That is interesting, and for use with an inverter would be very handy rather than one that cycles.
I find you can tell quite easily if it cycles or not by watching the pan and see if the water in the pan go through the bubbling/not bubbling cycle repeatedly at the lower settings. The 2kW one I have in my camper does that, and all the rings on the induction hob in the range in the kitchen do that as well. (not sure about the 500W portable ones. I will have to check those :) )
The Tefal one I have does not cycle, once simmering, the bubbles in the pan are constant.
 
I was in my van earlier and whilst there I thought I would try a little energy use test with the Hob...
Kettle was on the hob and full of water at room temp (around 20C say). Turned hob on to full 2000W setting and waited for it to boil.
Here are the screenshots of the starting point and the end point.
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So 6 minutes taken to boil a kettle with enough water for 8 large cups of tea or coffee, total power used (including Inverter overhead) was around 17Ah and took around 2% out of the battery (with no decimal place, could be anything from 1.5 to 2.5%)
 
I believe these are genuine power levels, not full power switched on and off to give equivalent power because I have used it on a 6 amp supply and it worked fine up to level 4 or 5. When I went above this it tripped the 6a breaker.

MCB's actually take quite a long time to trip if the current is not hugely over the rated current. X5 is minutes, and even x10 is many seconds. It depends on the type, but it's certainly not instant. So, you might not notice if it's going on and off.
 
MCB's actually take quite a long time to trip if the current is not hugely over the rated current. X5 is minutes, and even x10 is many seconds. It depends on the type, but it's certainly not instant. So, you might not notice if it's going on and off.
I cooked a casserole on it for about 45 mins once I'd established the highest setting I could use without tripping the site 6a MCB. I'm pretty certain it does not cycle.
 
Every time I see any mention of Induction hobs, I say the same thing. I’ll repeat it now.
If you’ve wear a pacemaker, think very carefully.
All the magic cooking, heating stuff is done by magnetic thingie bobs. Not what you want anywhere near your heart regulating kit. Trust me.
Sorry about the technical details. Just bear in mind, induction and pacemakers don’t mix.
 
Every time I see any mention of Induction hobs, I say the same thing. I’ll repeat it now.
If you’ve wear a pacemaker, think very carefully.
All the magic cooking, heating stuff is done by magnetic thingie bobs. Not what you want anywhere near your heart regulating kit. Trust me.
Sorry about the technical details. Just bear in mind, induction and pacemakers don’t mix.
Wildebus likes doing tests, we need Del to stand at the hob stirring something to see which lasts longer, either Del or the 100AH battery with a 2000W inverter, Wildebus could make a big name for himself with the discovery 🚑🚑🚓🚓🚒🚒
 

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