london low emisson cash cow

Pudsey Bear said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Ulez camera van fined £110 for illegal pavement parking

The local councillor who spotted the van says enforcement officers "are not above the law".
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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I suspect that a single ticket for £100 to £150 will be small potatoes compared with the hundreds if not thousands of non-compliant cars pinged at £12.50 each and so TfL will take the pragmatic view and continue to park their vans illegally. That said, I suspect the district council has the option of clamping and towing persistent offenders and hope that option gets exercised.

A little ray of hope perhaps, but a scaffolder called Noel Wilcox successfully argued in court that the ULEZ signs were unenforceable and so didn't have to pay approx £11k in ULEZ fines. He's now trying to take legal action to get the whole ULEZ scheme declared illegal and has set up a "Go Fund Me" page to raise the necessary funds to cover the legal expenses. YouTuber "Andy the Gabby Cabby" has a few videos on this...
 
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I'd chip in a couple of bob but I'm not in favour of the way Go fund me takes so much it's more like go fund them.
 
A poorer area, a higher proportion of children, speed bumps just not a very good way to avoid a CAZ.
 
There could be an argument for lower rd tax for veh that cannot go into these silly zones, no sh-t like that here and like parking tickets we would just ignore them, i do and never been taken to task.
 
Checked my Euro6C, the website says it’s a ‘van’ for CAZ purposes, yet because the log book says Car type M1 UK Gov. thinks it’s ok to charge me 1000s in extra road tax. Screwed every which way!
 
Barge1914 said:
Checked my Euro6C, the website says it’s a ‘van’ for CAZ purposes, yet because the log book says Car type M1 UK Gov. thinks it’s ok to charge me 1000s in extra road tax. Screwed every which way!
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That seems wrong. If you got caught by the VED cash grab (i.e. registered as M1 between 1 Sept 2019 and 12 March 2020 with an eligible CO2 emissions figure), and your van is shown as Euro 6 then it should be CAZ compliant and no fees payable?

Vehicle Excise Duty (VED or Road Tax) as it applies to motorhomes

Here is what you need to know about how VED or Road Tax applies to your motorhome.
www.ukmotorhomes.net www.ukmotorhomes.net
 
Vanterrier said:
I got caught out by two on the same day recently Bradford, then Sheffield. I had no idea they had CAZ's until approaching them and as I was circumnavigating them both on ring roads I was surprised and disgusted that the ring roads themselves were inside the CAZ! I would have expected to enter a CAZ as I left the ringroad heading into town but not to be in the CAZ whilst avoiding the centre...
When you are not familiar with the area and in busy traffic you don't get much of a chance to re-route. Imagine if I had stopped to consult a map... its a shame they don't put up diversion signs on the main routes to avoid the CAZ...
Now I know...

www.gov.uk

Drive in a clean air zone

Find out if you need to pay to drive in a clean air zone and check your vehicle meets emission standards.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

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Thanks for ALL of that info, especially the link to maps of the CAZs. (y)

I studied the map of Sheffield then "drove" round it using google Maps. Travelling westwards along the A57 I saw a sign saying "Clean Air Zone" and so I was "in" it. I went back to a previous junction where a white sign said "City Centre & Park & Ride" (straight on) and "alternative route" pointing left. I wouldn't have known what that implied. I went further back and came across a sign saying "Clean Air Zone 1 mile ahead", so I suppose that was the "warning": not impressed.

Driving through Freiburg im Bressau I suddenly saw a sign saying Clean Air Zone (in German) and couldn't recall seeing any warning about it. Fortunately it was "policed" by real people rather than ANPR cameras, and I got away with it. Similarly in Aachen, which I'd entered along minor roads and suddenly there it was, on an overhead bridge. Again I got away with it. I realised that I needed to take things a bit canny, so got info and put green blobs on a paper map of places to avoid (be careful near). It looks like I need to do the same for the UK!

Yesterday I checked if TomTom advise about CAZs on my 6200Pro satnav: no they don't. But, perhaps, it features on their latest offerings? Apparently it did but this required a total change of architecture so it will never be enacted on older models, so is/was only available on GO Superior, GO Exclusive and possibly GO Navigator. BUT then feedback indicated that the information was often wrong and that the spoken advice didn't always match the pictorial advice. So the current TT "Products" page makes no reference to this facility! It has probably been withdrawn.

Google Maps will mark the London Zones but nowhere else!

Gordon
 
I complained to my MP about the van not being exempt as it is a private vehicle, he just passed it on to the council who rang me last week, a total load of crap about it being better for the town I argued that it was not better for the town at all as it encompassed the main roads & ring road so to avoid it vehicles including HGVs had to go around small streets causing pollution, kids couldn't play in the streets anymore, it is just a disaster.

As for the Nav apps I've no idea why they are not trying to help, surely it would be a selling point as you may no your way around near home but not in a strange town.
 
Pudsey Bear said:
I complained to my MP about the van not being exempt as it is a private vehicle, he just passed it on to the council who rang me last week, a total load of crap about it being better for the town I argued that it was not better for the town at all as it encompassed the main roads & ring road so to avoid it vehicles including HGVs had to go around small streets causing pollution, kids couldn't play in the streets anymore, it is just a disaster.

As for the Nav apps I've no idea why they are not trying to help, surely it would be a selling point as you may no your way around near home but not in a strange town.
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The thing that really gets me is that we know pollution levels were generally low throughout the country before the latest stage of the war on motorists. Where we see the exceptional spike, it's localised to just one sensor (in two cases, increased PM10 levels within a few yards of a cement works!) So, rather than hammering motorists, it might be a good idea to actually address the causes of those spikes (e.g. in London, the worst offender is the Underground). There really isn't a valid reason for all these CAZs AFAICT ...
 
It's just a local tax on the poor mostly, I'm okay the car is exempt and so is the van here, it just pisses me off that I may catch a fine when we go away at some point, don't we already pay enough already, stupidly high tax on fuel (£3,80 a gallon in the US) road tax (car is zero) insu rance tax, income tax, VA fecking T.
 
GeoffL said:
The thing that really gets me is that we know pollution levels were generally low throughout the country before the latest stage of the war on motorists. Where we see the exceptional spike, it's localised to just one sensor (in two cases, increased PM10 levels within a few yards of a cement works!) So, rather than hammering motorists, it might be a good idea to actually address the causes of those spikes (e.g. in London, the worst offender is the Underground). There really isn't a valid reason for all these CAZs AFAICT ...
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There is a problem with your logic, you seem to think these schemes are something to do with air quality in this country 😂😂😂
 
@Wully , does it annoy you that you paid all that dosh for a white Fiat lol
 
Neil I wind people up and say ive got a nice Italian vehicle that cost over a 100k and begins with an F. They ask what’s the 0 to 60 I tell them a fortnight it really messes with there heads.
 
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