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Dean

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Hi all
I've never had a motorhome and I'm looking at purchasing a swift compact c205 year 2020, if anyone could answer a few questions that would be great
1, the one I'm looking at us an automatic are they a good gearbox
2, I'm looking at going traveling for a few years, what is the insulation like in hot and cold climate
3, do these hold there value
4, are these the cheaper end of the motorhome market
5, is there anything I should look for when buying it good or bad

Many thanks in advance for any help or information you could give me
Cheers
Dean
 
Point 1......can't help
2......british vans are usually not as well insulated as foreign conversions....they were developed from caravans mainly used in the UK and caravanners didn't travel over winter
3 At the moment, they all seem to be holding their values due to increased demand.
4 yes, they are the cheaper end....though, from the prices I've seen they are certainly not cheap
5 good luck
 
Point 5: Look at available payload, taking into account any additional equipment that you may wish/need to fit.
 
I think insulation of the van should be ok at low temperatures, as long as the heating system is efficient and has plenty of outlets to keep the whole van warm.
Payload on that model would appear to be quite low with a max plated mass of 3300kg. Swift don’t appear to publish the actual payload ( as far as I could see) so you would need to find out what it is, bearing in mind any extras will eat into the payload, and long trips away could demand a hefty payload
Depending where you are thinking of travelling, will there be any dealers nearby in case of any warranty issues?
If you will be mostly travelling on the continent, I would seriously consider buying lhd and a European model, it will be easier to fix if anything goes wrong and probably built to a better standard and designed to be used throughout the year.
 
If you have never had a motorhome, what are you basing your selection on?
There are many different (conflicting) criteria to consider. Very few people choose correctly the first time, which suggests that there should be more pre-sales advice.
I know nothing of the one you mention, so this is in no way a criticism of that model, but I can almost guarantee that it would not suit me, and more importantly, is possibly not the best choice for you.
Start with a written down list of what you plan to do in the motorhome. Where you will stop, how far you will drive at a stretch, how long you will stop. What facilities will be available.
Then make a list of the facilities and features you want, which of those are needed.
Then see how many of those are provided by your current favourite.
 
Thank you for your feed back, I think I'll not bother with the swift, maybe get a little older van that is better made, like a burstner ?

Again thanks for your feed back
Cheers Dean
 
Good advice from Geek. List what you want to do, where you expect to travel, length of trip and length of stay, off grid or using sites.

For example:
if you ski and want to do winter trips to Alps or suchlike stop now, buy a Continental fully winterised double floor van with inboard tanks and plumbing and large gas capacity or diesel heater but expect to pay upward of £80k or find a used one.

Or. If you are happy with three seasons in moderate climate, perhaps with winter trips limited to milder weather, want to stay on campsites every night with services available, and don’t want to spend too much on a van you can carry on looking at the Swift one or similar.

But then think about how you may want to customise it to more closely fit with what you want to do.

With that MIRO of 3.3T you will be very limited, there are plenty of sub 6m 3.5T vans on the market with a good payload.

If you want to stay off grid as much as possible you’ll be looking to add solar panels and an extra battery at least. You may want a spare cassette to lengthen the time between ‘pit stops. So is there space to put them and spare payload?

Fo you want to carry bikes? Have you capacity on the rear axle. Remember everything behind the rear axle imposes more load on the axle than it’s own self weight.

2 x 6L gas won’t last long if you use it for heating in winter. Those little swift gas lockers don’t hold any more, so is there space to put an underslung tank? (more weight).

Those vans have uninsulated underslung water tanks, water pipes and plumbing? You may pay for the ‘winter pack’ but that is of limited effectiveness, uses heaters which use too much power to use off grid. You can add insulation, but in sustained sub zero temperatures added heat is still needed.

You can upgrade the legal weight, but that may need addition of air assistance, and with paperwork cost several hundreds of £££.

You need to find out what the weight distribution is between the axles. Ask Swift or the dealer…and good luck with that! I am skeptical about the figure quoted for the heavier 140 engine and auto box, double check that, it may be higher. You may find that on an automatic van of this configuration and MIRO there is very little spare capacity on the front axle. Manufacturers make their payload figures look better by weazle words in the small print, allowing reduced quantities of gas, fuel, water etc in their MIRO figures. If you can’t travel with full tanks then you can forget about staying off grid.

Don’t for a minute believe this van is realistically suitable to carry 4 people other than without luggage or anything in the tanks.

I speak from experience, I started off with a small swift, cursed it and the dealer’s perennial ineptitude for 5 years and later bought the van I should have bought in the first place.

At the end of the day every choice is a compromise, but what you are looking for is the compromise that best suits you. You just need to be aware of what it is you are compromising. There is no ideal van. Quality assurance is something the customer does after he has bought it. ...sadly that is the nature of this industry.
 
When it comes to Motorhomes, just be mindful that there are some things you can change, and some things you can't.

The main one you are pretty well stuck with is Layout. You can't decide to shift the shower from a middle to an end. You can't suddenly decide you fancy an end lounge instead of an end kitchen. So I would say the layout is #1, #2 and #3 in terms of making sure it will work for you.

Just about all the rest is adaptable.
Doesn't come with enough battery capacity as you want to wild-camp? Add battery.
Want more payload? uprate the suspension.
Prefer a compressor fridge to a 3-way? swap it.
etc. etc.

Obviously all the above cost money to do and if you could find a motorhome that has everything you want, fantastic, but if you found one that ticked all those boxes but the compromise was you didn't like the layout it would be a waste of time and money as you will end up changing the van.
 
Even more unchangeable is the base vehicle. The make affects spares availability (and how many are needed),:and how likely or is to be stolen.
FWD is more likely to get stuck on slippy conditions, but is cheaper and allows a low or double floor more easily.
If you live in London or Greater Manchester, consider the restrictions on older diesels.
Personally, I don't think LHD / RHD or auto/manual matters.
If you have C1 on your licence, consider a heavier van. Less limited, cheaper to tax.
 
Even more unchangeable is the base vehicle. The make affects spares availability (and how many are needed),:and how likely or is to be stolen.
FWD is more likely to get stuck on slippy conditions, but is cheaper and allows a low or double floor more easily.
If you live in London or Greater Manchester, consider the restrictions on older diesels.
Personally, I don't think LHD / RHD or auto/manual matters.
If you have C1 on your licence, consider a heavier van. Less limited, cheaper to tax.
This is a very valid consideration especially for older vehicles, and the body type as well for older motorhomes.

Generally speaking Mercedes and especially VWs tend to have better parts availability for old vans, and VWs in particular have a good aftermarket parts service from specialist makers.
Been quite a few examples on the forum over time with people stuck with an off-the-road motorhome whilst trying to source a run of the mill part such as a brake cable.
Also things like A-Class Windscreens could be a van killer when they are no longer available. Motorhomes have been written off due to a stone chip in the wrong place!
 
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You can upgrade the legal weight, but that may need addition of air assistance, and with paperwork cost several hundreds of £££.

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If going over 3.5t, it may also, depending on categories currently on driving licence, require another driving test.
 
If you passed your car test before 1997 you should have C1 on your licence, allowing you to drive vehicles up to 7.5 tonnes.
If you don't already have C1 you have to take the full class 4 hgv test, which is a bit of an expensive hassle. There is no test for just C1, unfortunately.
 
Hmm. Maybe the class 4 test is just for C1.
I think it normally involves a four day training course.
 
A massive step to take .
Go round to dealers and talk to customers.
They'll be waiting for spares or booking services.
They'll be happy to talk for hours about their hobby , it's pros and cons.
Most of them are demented in good or bad ways.
Then ask yourselves...
" Do you want to be like them ?".
Keep asking and check our older sister website..
www.wildcamping.co.uk.
That's where the real nutcases lurk.
We're amongst them, after 20+ years of long terming vanlife.
 
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Hi all
I've never had a motorhome and I'm looking at purchasing a swift compact c205 year 2020, if anyone could answer a few questions that would be great
1, the one I'm looking at us an automatic are they a good gearbox
2, I'm looking at going traveling for a few years, what is the insulation like in hot and cold climate
3, do these hold there value
4, are these the cheaper end of the motorhome market
5, is there anything I should look for when buying it good or bad

Many thanks in advance for any help or information you could give me
Cheers
Dean
  1. Which auto box is it robot manual or EAT8
  2. In the hot it will just get hot! Unless you have A/C . That Swift isn't winterised I don't think.
  3. Everything is just going up in value now!
  4. Yes
  5. The layout suits you, size if your away for years, size
I have had a Swift for 4 years with problems, It's the Fiat part that is the problem.
 

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