The Good and the Very Bad!!!

Ha! Had lots of practice that comes from owning and maintaining old vehicles ;)

You haven't said exactly what your engine is, unless I have missed it? Do you have a part number?

Is this the same as yours ?


If it is then costs are not too bad and they will post foc.

Good luck

K ;)
 
Ha! Had lots of practice that comes from owning and maintaining old vehicles ;)

You haven't said exactly what your engine is, unless I have missed it? Do you have a part number?

Is this the same as yours ?


If it is then costs are not too bad and they will post foc.

Good luck

K ;)
According to the registration certificate, it is a Renault Trafic T1400 D 2500CC

Unfortunately, I don't have easy access to the vehicle as it is on Orkney Mainland and we are on Westray, one of the outer isles.
 
Pistons will be mashed as well as bent valves and may also be head damage,fit a used donky but do belt a tensioner before fitting,may also be an idea to replace head gasket to before hand.
 
If you give that detail and your engine number from the V5c they should be able to confirm or not if it is right.

Good luck

K ;)
 
If you give that detail and your engine number from the V5c they should be able to confirm or not if it is right.

Good luck

K ;)
There's no engine number on the V5C it just says not supplied.

The thing is I'm not doing the work either so I'm not sure whether or not a full engine would be a better option.

I guess at the end of the day it will always be second hand and all one can do is give it a thorough coat of looking at and then hope for the best.

Also, I do trust this garage. As per my earlier post, they are expensive but I know that they do a good job so I don't want to tread on their toes too much telling them what to do.

Thanks

Phill
 
They may give you some options..
If the funds allow replace more rather than less ! (IMO)
 
No problem ;)

The last link I sent you was for a cylinder head only and thats what I was suggesting might be confirmed with the engine number. Its an option at least if your garage says it needs a new head but they dont know where to get one you could point them that way.
I hope they can sort you out one way or another.
I had a similar problem on an old Mitsubishi Pajero two years ago when the camchain snapped and destroyed the top end. Its not nice nor cheap so I do empathise.
Good luck
K ;)
 
What a disaster for this to happen, but you seem to have a very positive attitude, so I wish you the very best of luck in getting sorted and back on the road again. (y)
 
Generally on Diesel engines as had been already said if the timing belt lets go it will completely bugger the Head/ Vales even to cracking the head, But also Unfortunately smashing the pistons/ Bending the con rods and distorting the crankshaft, Basically another complete engine will be needed,
The old engine wouldn’t be taken in part/ exchange, it’s scrap value only,
 
I would have thought a head rebuild would fix it or at worst a replacement head
The head, the cam carriers, the valves and the pistons that hit the valves and the belt that broke and the possibility of the conrods when the pistons hit.. It is a very open question when a belt goes, best to replace the damn things regularly.
 
Hi I am talking from experience now, I had a talisman on a 2.5 straight Boxer base and it snapped a conrod, original quote from garage was £1200 to repair. The total cost in the end was 6 Months to get it right and £5000. Make sure the rebuild is started by a competent garage that know what their doing as far as rebuilds go, good luck PM if I can give any advice.
 
Generally on Diesel engines as had been already said if the timing belt lets go it will completely bugger the Head/ Vales even to cracking the head, But also Unfortunately smashing the pistons/ Bending the con rods and distorting the crankshaft, Basically another complete engine will be needed,
The old engine wouldn’t be taken in part/ exchange, it’s scrap value only,
That's my thinking too.

It's impossible to know every bit of damage that has occurred (or at least not without very detailed inspection).

I rather think that the quickest/cheapest option is to replace the whole engine with a known runner.
 
The head, the cam carriers, the valves and the pistons that hit the valves and the belt that broke and the possibility of the conrods when the pistons hit.. It is a very open question when a belt goes, best to replace the damn things regularly.
That's why I had the belt and tensioner replaced last year when we got the van.

Sadly it is increasingly looking like a chose a bad garage :mad:
 
Hi I am talking from experience now, I had a talisman on a 2.5 straight Boxer base and it snapped a conrod, original quote from garage was £1200 to repair. The total cost in the end was 6 Months to get it right and £5000. Make sure the rebuild is started by a competent garage that know what their doing as far as rebuilds go, good luck PM if I can give any advice.
You're just trying to cheer me up now aren't you ?;)
 
That's why I had the belt and tensioner replaced last year when we got the van.

Sadly it is increasingly looking like a chose a bad garage :mad:
They MIGHT NOT have actually done it,, I got conned by a Ford Main dealer over a service that was never done. unless you look and it is obvious then have suspicions that is was the original belt,, I changed my Diesel fiest belt at 100000 miles , less than tha Ford recomendation and it was perfect so they might last a lot longer than the makers say, and your probably did until it let go. They are phenomenal bits of engineering and are usually reliable or the engine makers would not use them.
 
They MIGHT NOT have actually done it,, I got conned by a Ford Main dealer over a service that was never done. unless you look and it is obvious then have suspicions that is was the original belt,, I changed my Diesel fiest belt at 100000 miles , less than tha Ford recomendation and it was perfect so they might last a lot longer than the makers say, and your probably did until it let go. They are phenomenal bits of engineering and are usually reliable or the engine makers would not use them.
I’m afraid that does seem to be the general view of several oval folk here as we have the conversations.

My dilemma now (immaterial as it is) is -

if they charged me for the work but didn’t actually do it then I was robed, yes, but the belt would have failed at this time any way.

Or,

If they did do it but made a bad job of it then I caused the failure, which is even worse.

Either way I’m where I am so it just is what it is!

Although it irks me there’s nothing to be gained looking back and turning it over, other than perhaps to avoid this garage in future.
 
I had a similar problem with a Land Rover Discovery I bought from a garage. They assured me the cam belt had been changed, but it broke 3 months later. The garage recovered the car and “repaired” it telling me they had replaced the cambelt along with all the valves. 2 months later the engine started clattering then stopped with water leaking from the head.
The garage had now apparently gone bankrupt, so I did the repair myself.
They had changed the belt, but left everything else. The 3 bent valves had eventually seized in the guides and the unreplaced head bolts had stretched causing the head gasket to leak.
I replaced the head and valvetrain and the engine ran sweetly for years afterwards.
Hope yours can get away with just the head as mine did.
 
I thought I'd post an update on our progress with Forrest.

The garage that we had him with didn't have any success sourcing an engine. Unfortunately, the one kindly posted here by Vanterrier was a different one.

I truth I suspect the garage wasn't mad keen on fitting second-hand parts that there couldn't/wouldn't guarantee.

With time slipping by I figured it was best to get him home and then go from there (even if it was to the scrappers!). With the help of our son we towed Forrest across Orkney Mainland then onto the ferry and over to Westray - that was fun!

Any way.... As the saying goes if you want something doing - do it yourself!

I thought my days of messing about with engines were over...

I've taken the cylinder head off, and yes it has damage valves and tappets. I've got a complete replacement cylinder head coming from Poland (£280 including shipping, so that's not bad).

The pistons have got signs of damage to their tops but at least none are smashed. I think it would be prudent to change these all the same and am in the process of tracking some down.

So, it will be a wee while before Forrest will be back on the road but at least his future is looking a bit rosier.

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I thought I'd post an update on our progress with Forrest.

The garage that we had him with didn't have any success sourcing an engine. Unfortunately, the one kindly posted here by Vanterrier was a different one.

I truth I suspect the garage wasn't mad keen on fitting second-hand parts that there couldn't/wouldn't guarantee.

With time slipping by I figured it was best to get him home and then go from there (even if it was to the scrappers!). With the help of our son we towed Forrest across Orkney Mainland then onto the ferry and over to Westray - that was fun!

Any way.... As the saying goes if you want something doing - do it yourself!

I thought my days of messing about with engines were over...

I've taken the cylinder head off, and yes it has damage valves and tappets. I've got a complete replacement cylinder head coming from Poland (£280 including shipping, so that's not bad).

The pistons have got signs of damage to their tops but at least none are smashed. I think it would be prudent to change these all the same and am in the process of tracking some down.

So, it will be a wee while before Forrest will be back on the road but at least his future is looking a bit rosier.

Pistons are on their way now as well.

Happy days!
 

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