Ambitious pricing

I agree absolutely. I recently watched a Youtube video review of a common caravan at the NEC October show. The caravan price was £23,000 and obviously included the bodywork, chassis, wheels and brakes and electrics. And VAT. It had all the innards that you would expect in a 6mtr motorhome or campervan. I may be wrong but let me assume the caravan innards cost for example £12k. Furniture, bedding, gas combi boiler, lights, plumbing, cooker, washroom, kitchen. I then priced up buying a brand new Fiat Ducato high roof long wheelbase (not 6mtr) van and it was £42k (A swb low roof is £31k) including all the taxes and the taxes on the taxes. (A vehicle has VAT on top of the car tax. In other words the car tax is taxed). I am going to be rash and assume that the construction costs of the furniture - cupboards, tables, chairs, kitchen units would be the same for a van and a caravan. The caravan already has its body included in the £23,000 and so does the panel van in its £42,000 so there can't be any costs associated with the bodywork. The only difference really is that the panel van has to be insulated. They both have to be wired up with mains and 12v, they both have leisure batteries and the associated wiring, they both have hot and cold water, a kitchen sink and a toilet. So how does £23,000 plus £42,000 suddenly become an £80,000 panel van conversion? Specially when the major converters wouldn't be paying anything like retail for the vans. I once was manufacturing a product for Rover cars. I asked if I could buy the 'Brochure car' - the one with seven coats of hand finished paint and all the accessories. They said it will be crushed. "If we were to sell it to you we would have to register it as a car, and pay VAT on it. We can make another car for less than the VAT". That tells you what it costs them to make a car. Less than the VAT they would have to pay.
Because it's our 1st van and we didn't know if we would get into it or not we decided our budget was 25k.
What I noticed for that price is you would get a van worth 6k tops with an interior etc fitted.
We did do really well and get a very good condition van for our money but realistically still not worth the money.
But like I say in my opinion its the premium you have to pay as soon as motorhome is mentioned - there was older and rougher vans for sale for stronger money than our one.
 
We have had some brilliant vans pass through our hands on their way to ebay over the years, too expensive for us to keep, funnily the cost or value never bothered us, the one we have now is the only one we will probably lose money on :( :( but it does suit us very well for now.

We'd still have the self build which was the best van we have ever even seen for us, but we use single beds now not the huge double, to change it would have been an almost complete rebuild just to get an extra 6 inches (shut it) so it had to go, we made good money out of it having used it a lot, and again when the buyer flogged it back to me.
 
I seem to remember the one I went to was in Leeds. I bought a Pilote pvc a few years ago and I was seriously impressed with its quilted insulation. Silver foil both sides of some thick duvet-type filling with a diamond quilt stitched in to it so the filling doesn't fall down. I paid £38k for it, new. That was before all the excuses they dreamed up for doubling prices.

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I don't suppose you got to see how they insulated the cab doors did you? The doors are the only bit in our van that get cold.
 
If you want to open the windows not much you can do.
 
I don't suppose you got to see how they insulated the cab doors did you? The doors are the only bit in our van that get cold.
It is difficult to fully insulate Hab doors due to the opening mechanism inside. I had the covers off both our Tag Axle vans at some point and they would not hold much heat in.

Those 2 big vans gave us hardly any problems over the 12 years we had them but strangely enough both Hab doors were a terrible fit and you could see daylight through the gaps. I managed to improve them but it took all my engineering skills and different profile rubber door seals to get them half decent.
 
Not fit for purpose half the time, I did insulate my back doors, but you have to avoid the mechanics.
 
Oddly I had the opposite conversation with Liz at the weekend, she just paid a grand for a week's cruise which included a bus trip down to Heathrow, hours and hours in 4 airports, hours and hours on a train up from Stansted, then moaned about how much a trip to France would cost, no comparison to my mind, she must be mad, not to mention all the effing about getting the best deal for weeks on end.
A grand for a weeks cruise for one person must have been a Very Posh cruise. Or even two people. We have just paid £650 for two people for a weeks cruise up the west coast of Europe, a very common cruise. That is 7 nights for not much more than it costs to park your or my camper on a field somewhere with one of the clubs. And eating all day and activities and good evening entertainment laid on. OK - there are cheaper cruises - the next-to-cheapest one we have done (one caribbean one was free) was £17 per person per night for three weeks, another was £45 per person per night and that was Southampton to Sydney plus a weeks stay in Sydney plus flghts back.
My real gripe is with the charges that UK camp sites get away with. All that does for us is to drive us abroad. When it costs more to stay on a site in the UK for a week than it does to cross the channel and stay for a week in France / Germany etc you can see why there are thousands of UK registered motorhomes in Europe than there are European motorhomes in the UK. B.....
 
I've no idea, I cannot imagine anything worse than a cruise, I hate boats and planes.
 
Shame. Obviously I won't be bumping into you on a boat then . . . :ROFLMAO:
 
I don't like cabbage, because I have never tried it.
 
Nowt like raw Savoy cabbage as a snack, I like bananas coz they have no bones.
 
Debate on colour aside, the first one hasn't been painted it is a Wrap.
As it was originally a Crew/Welfare van any sensible purchaser might be right to wonder what state the original paint and bodywork is in under the big stickers!

Wraps can cheaply disguise all sorts of badly bodged accident damage!
A wrap isn't just for Christmas, but it certainly isn't for life!

After two years, tatty bits will show.

After three or four years it will look awful. And then it'll be a horrendous job to get it off.

It's best to plan on replacing a wrap after two years. It should come off OK and the hidden corrosion may still be manageable.
 
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