Charging Leisure Batteries via EV points.

[Ambulance2Camper]

The Juicy Brucie cable appears to simply provide 230v to the motorhome's built-in charger which could easily take several hours to charge the battery. I can see this upsetting Ev users and personally I would not want to hang around in a car park that long either.

What’s the difference? Many times i have gone to Tesco and both ev spaces are taken. I just don’t charge up. Same for everyone.

 

[Bruce Lauderdale]

Stock is now back in on the website. But like I said, limited to just 10 until April.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

Not sure why anyone would need one anyway, solar, driving or EHU should be enough I thought, as for EV drivers, I wouldn't blame them if they got a bit shirty, some of them don't have other choices.

 

[Admin]

Not sure why anyone would need one anyway, solar, driving or EHU should be enough I thought, as for EV drivers, I wouldn't blame them if they got a bit shirty, some of them don't have other choices.

For people who live in their vans in the winter, paying expensive campsite fees just to charge their batteries on EHU is not the best option. This cable and a fast charger with lithium means a few hours of charging can set you up for another few days off grid. We have a few members who have them and swear by them. Also remember that there are plenty of multi-use bays in towns and villages across the UK and supermarkets are closed on Sunday evenings making their chargers ideal. Even my huge 11770Wh (920Ah at 12.8v) battery pack would cost less than £5 to recharge.

 

[wildebus]

If I used my van more than I currently do, I would not hesitate to get one of Bruce's cables. It could pay for itself in a matter of weeks compared to if forced to use campsites just to recharge.

 

[Pudsey Bear]

I see what you mean, I didn't think about full timers.

Every days a skool day.

 

[Boris7]

What’s the difference? Many times i have gone to Tesco and both ev spaces are taken. I just don’t charge up. Same for everyone.

Truth is the charging points at Tesco etc are just a waste of space, never seen one over 7kw. You’d have to spend a carp load of time shopping for it the work. My local Tesco has a Shell charger across the road 175kw so for my EV 20-80% 6.6 hours at Tesco or 37 minutes at Shell but since it’s 11 minutes to home I don’t use either.

But with a cable that connects to a pod point charger, and using an app (such as your parking space) it’s a no brainer for full timers.

 

[Boris7]

I see what you mean, I didn't think about full timers.

Every days a skool day.

Back to SCHOOL Kev mate

 

[Trotter]

It took us less than 2 hours to charge fully from about 25% our battery is a Fogstar 460

You’re happy with your JuiceyBrucie then?
I’m okay for most of the year. Winter stationary park ups are problematic.

Perhaps I should have taken the time to read more of your posts on this topic. But wading through 230 messages is something I’m not going to do.
In my defence, I’ve been offline, due to no internet for over a week. It’s so easy to loose track. My excuse, and I’m sticking to it

 

[Boris7]

We were talking about this today and I think Bruce is missing a point (well 2 actually) Zapmap and just park. My drive and EV charger are available on Just Park, so in effect someone with this cable could park on my drive and charge their van (out of interest you would also get access to cassette emptying and fresh water but that’s just me) Electricity price is much less than podpoint, and my charger is 3 times faster.

I’ve looked on Zapmap and its not that hard to find places.

 

[Trotter]

Don’t waste your time reading my posts I haven’t got a clue

You think I can read?

 

[Trotter]

I’ve been struggling, over thinking, whatever , about my winter battery charging needs. I’ve got used to using leccy power, and the way the van is now set up, 240v via in inverter is now my preferred method.
I have lpg. My emergency backup .

I’ve thought about,
A second 460 battery
A Honda/ Hyundai generator
A JuicyBrucie

The last seems to be favourite.. I’ll very probably put an order in later in the year.

 

[Boris7]

At 4 miles per KWh of battery capacity, if you are paying 58p per KWh (typical rate round here) that works out at 14.5p per mile.

With petrol at 132.7p per litre (the lowest price within 5 miles of where I am at present) that's £6.02 per gallon, so to pay 14.5p per mile you'd have to get 602/14.5 = 41.5mpg. Many cars can easily better that.

To make your EV do the equivalent of 65mpg you'd have to be paying the domestic rate of 34p per KWh. That's reasonable if you are charging at home, but this thread is about charging at public EV chargers, isn't it?

Of course the other factor is battery replacement. Per mile, I guess this could be as expensive as the electricity. I don't know though.

How long will batteries last? What will the replacement cost be? Will the old one have a resale value? Or will the car just be scrapped when the battery wears out?

The current domestic rate for an EV charging at home is actually 7p/KWh the most expensive rate is 25.40p/KWh (Intelligent Octopus Go) and 4miles/KWh is low I get an average of 5.2m/KWh thats 0.013p/mile this gives a usable range of 240 miles (using the 20-80% charging rule) and 320 miles if like tomorrow I'm doing a long journey and set the charge to 100% (very rarely do this).

The quoted charge of 58p/KWh is also inaccurate I'm afraid, on a long journey (over the 320 miles range) I will normally want a break and will plan that around a charge point, if you use a charger on the motorway network you can expect more like 79p/KWh off the motorway network you can expect 29p/KWh but you'll get a slow charger with type 2 own cable, this will be no more than 22kw, but most EV'v only charge at 11kw on type 2. In this case your looking at 4 hours 20-80%.

In truth what you do is plan around Ionity stations and pay via Electroverse to get 8% off (71p/KWh) and put enough in to get to your destination.

From home to my second house is 405 miles so I drive to Gretna Green 251 miles arrive there with about 70 miles range (again using the 20-80% rule, dependant on many factors, but still always get there) and charge enough to do the remainder + a bit more to be safe that will be about 120 miles of range to add, about £30-35.00

That means the 405 miles cost me around £40.00 thats 10/mile ish

But remember on days like yesterday I charged to car from 31% to 80% completely free on Solar.

 

[GeoffL]

The quoted charge of 58p/KWh is also inaccurate I'm afraid, on a long journey (over the 320 miles range) I will normally want a break and will plan that around a charge point, if you use a charger on the motorway network you can expect more like 79p/KWh off the motorway network you can expect 29p/KWh but you'll get a slow charger with type 2 own cable, this will be no more than 22kw, but most EV'v only charge at 11kw on type 2. In this case your looking at 4 hours 20-80%.

Those prices seem very different to the pricing where I live. FWIW, I just checked Zap-Map for chargers near me. The nearest (just over 10 miles away) is a Shell Recharge and the price isn't given on Zap-Map. However, every charger I found a price for were 53p/kWh for type 2 chargers, 69p/kWh for 50kW chargers and 79p/kWh for 100kW chargers -- i.e. the same price as Gridserve motorway chargers
I guess that pricing must vary considerable from one region to the next?

 

[wildebus]

The current domestic rate for an EV charging at home is actually 7p/KWh the most expensive rate is 25.40p/KWh (Intelligent Octopus Go) and 4miles/KWh is low I get an average of 5.2m/KWh thats 0.013p/mile this gives a usable range of 240 miles (using the 20-80% charging rule) and 320 miles if like tomorrow I'm doing a long journey and set the charge to 100% (very rarely do this).

Your 7p/KWh you quote? Is that a special EV Tariff that you are signed up to that also changes the cost per KWh as well? I have not got an EV so have not looked at any figures in detail, but from what I have scanned through, you get a better tariff for the EV for overnight charging by agreeing to pay a higher per KWh charge during the day for general use?
If that is the case (and if not, why don't we all get an "EV Tariff" to run everything cheaper overnight) then you should really factor in your INCREASED other electric costs you are incurring and apply that to the real cost of charging your EV at home rather than the 1.3p/mile? (think the 0.013p/mile was rather optimistic anyway )

The quoted charge of 58p/KWh is also inaccurate I'm afraid, on a long journey (over the 320 miles range) I will normally want a break and will plan that around a charge point, if you use a charger on the motorway network you can expect more like 79p/KWh off the motorway network you can expect 29p/KWh but you'll get a slow charger with type 2 own cable, this will be no more than 22kw, but most EV'v only charge at 11kw on type 2. In this case your looking at 4 hours 20-80%.

In truth what you do is plan around Ionity stations and pay via Electroverse to get 8% off (71p/KWh) and put enough in to get to your destination.

From home to my second house is 405 miles so I drive to Gretna Green 251 miles arrive there with about 70 miles range (again using the 20-80% rule, dependant on many factors, but still always get there) and charge enough to do the remainder + a bit more to be safe that will be about 120 miles of range to add, about £30-35.00

That means the 405 miles cost me around £40.00 thats 10/mile ish

But remember on days like yesterday I charged to car from 31% to 80% completely free on Solar.

At 79p/KWh on a car that is getting 5.2Miles/KWh, it is not really that cheap as EV fans like to claim. I would say I pay about the same pence per mile on my normal petrol car which cost a hell of a lot less to buy than the EV equivalent.
For someone who has the ability to charge cheaply at home, great. But for anyone who is obliged to use public charging, sometimes 100% of the time, the great saving of owning an EV just does not stack up.

 

[Heppy]

I have an EV and are with EON.
25.3p daytime,
6.7p from midnight to 0700.

10p a mile.

 

[wildebus]

I have an EV and are with EON.
25.3p daytime,
6.7p from midnight to 0700.

10p a mile.

So you are paying a surcharge between 07:00 and midnight in order to get cheaper EV charging
To get the true figure per mile, see how much you pay between those hours, adjust the cost to see what it would be on a non-EV tariff and add that to the 10p a mile value

not saying it is not a good deal you are getting, but the cost per mile is being artificially lowered by getting a portion transferred onto the rest of the electrical useage in the house.
Just looked at EON ...
EV vs Non-EV Tariff: EV is 0.27p/kWh more Peak. very little difference (~1%) . Standing Charge is 8.66p per day more. So the EV recharging true charge is (Peak KWh useage * 0.27p + 8.66/Day) pence more.
(of course, other non-peak and non-EV use will be beneficial, so need to adjust for that the other way, so dishwasher and washing machine use maybe?)

 

[Heppy]

So you are paying a surcharge between 07:00 and midnight in order to get cheaper EV charging
To get the true figure per mile, see how much you pay between those hours, adjust the cost to see what it would be on a non-EV tariff and add that to the 10p a mile value

not saying it is not a good deal you are getting, but the cost per mile is being artificially lowered by getting a portion transferred onto the rest of the electrical useage in the house.
Just looked at EON ...
EV vs Non-EV Tariff: EV is 0.27p/kWh more Peak. very little difference (~1%) . Standing Charge is 8.66p per day more. So the EV recharging true charge is (Peak KWh useage * 0.27 + 8.66/Day) pence more.

I understand I could be paying more during the day but when I last did a comparison for my address it was only a penny or two more per Kw.
We use very little electric during the day in the home and have never charged the car during the day.

 

[wildebus]

I understand I could be paying more during the day but when I last did a comparison for my address it was only a penny or two more per Kw.
We use very little electric during the day in the home and have never charged the car during the day.

Yup. these tariffs can be very beneficial. It is really like a updated version of "Economy 7" people with Electric Storage Heaters used to go for

But using the off-peak rate to then quote how much it costs them to charge their car is just not the whole picture, but so many folk like to do that.
You could compare it to other common threads where people are so happy how they only paid 74p/Litre for LPG instead of 99p/litre, ignoring how they had to spend an extra fiver in diesel to drive to the cheaper LPG station

 

[Boris7]

So you are paying a surcharge between 07:00 and midnight in order to get cheaper EV charging
To get the true figure per mile, see how much you pay between those hours, adjust the cost to see what it would be on a non-EV tariff and add that to the 10p a mile value

not saying it is not a good deal you are getting, but the cost per mile is being artificially lowered by getting a portion transferred onto the rest of the electrical useage in the house.
Just looked at EON ...
EV vs Non-EV Tariff: EV is 0.27p/kWh more Peak. very little difference (~1%) . Standing Charge is 8.66p per day more. So the EV recharging true charge is (Peak KWh useage * 0.27p + 8.66/Day) pence more.
(of course, other non-peak and non-EV use will be beneficial, so need to adjust for that the other way, so dishwasher and washing machine use maybe?)

True BUT if you put you washing machine, dishwasher and anything else on a timer you get that rate for all of them, if you have house batteries you charge them, then run between 07:00 and midnight off the batteries, any solar just boosts the amount of cheap/free electricity. Even my MH when on the drive only gets EHU on the cheap EV rate.