Charging Leisure Batteries via EV points.

DACS said:
The Juicy Brucie cable appears to simply provide 230v to the motorhome's built-in charger which could easily take several hours to charge the battery. I can see this upsetting Ev users and personally I would not want to hang around in a car park that long either.
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What’s the difference? Many times i have gone to Tesco and both ev spaces are taken. I just don’t charge up. Same for everyone.
 
Not sure why anyone would need one anyway, solar, driving or EHU should be enough I thought, as for EV drivers, I wouldn't blame them if they got a bit shirty, some of them don't have other choices.
 
Pudsey Bear said:
Not sure why anyone would need one anyway, solar, driving or EHU should be enough I thought, as for EV drivers, I wouldn't blame them if they got a bit shirty, some of them don't have other choices.
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For people who live in their vans in the winter, paying expensive campsite fees just to charge their batteries on EHU is not the best option. This cable and a fast charger with lithium means a few hours of charging can set you up for another few days off grid. We have a few members who have them and swear by them. Also remember that there are plenty of multi-use bays in towns and villages across the UK and supermarkets are closed on Sunday evenings making their chargers ideal. Even my huge 11770Wh (920Ah at 12.8v) battery pack would cost less than £5 to recharge.
 
If I used my van more than I currently do, I would not hesitate to get one of Bruce's cables. It could pay for itself in a matter of weeks compared to if forced to use campsites just to recharge.
 
I see what you mean, I didn't think about full timers.

Every days a skool day.
 
We have a Juicy Brucie and it’s fantastic.
We have used it at Genie charger points in Morrisons car parks and also pod point chargers in Tescos.
Bruce made the cable long so you can park out of the EV charging bays so you are not breaking any rules.
If any EV users come along then just unplug and allow them to charge. It’s simple.
We have always gone late at night and charge so we are not putting any EV users out.
It’s great for in the winter when you are not getting any solar or don’t want to do much driving. Last time we used a pod point it cost less than £2 which is so much better than a campsite just to charge your batteries and a lot of them are shut in winter anyway.
It’s a 👍 from us for the Jucie Brucie. Very easy to use and well made
 
Ambulance2Camper said:
What’s the difference? Many times i have gone to Tesco and both ev spaces are taken. I just don’t charge up. Same for everyone.
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Truth is the charging points at Tesco etc are just a waste of space, never seen one over 7kw. You’d have to spend a carp load of time shopping for it the work. My local Tesco has a Shell charger across the road 175kw so for my EV 20-80% 6.6 hours at Tesco or 37 minutes at Shell but since it’s 11 minutes to home I don’t use either.

But with a cable that connects to a pod point charger, and using an app (such as your parking space) it’s a no brainer for full timers.
 
Boris7 said:
Truth is the charging points at Tesco etc are just a waste of space, never seen one over 7kw. You’d have to spend a carp load of time shopping for it the work. My local Tesco has a Shell charger across the road 175kw so for my EV 20-80% 6.6 hours at Tesco or 37 minutes at Shell but since it’s 11 minutes to home I don’t use either.

But with a cable that connects to a pod point charger, and using an app (such as your parking space) it’s a no brainer for full timers.
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It took us less than 2 hours to charge fully from about 25% our battery is a Fogstar 460
 
10K Sunsets Jeanette said:
It took us less than 2 hours to charge fully from about 25% our battery is a Fogstar 460
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You’re happy with your JuiceyBrucie then?
I’m okay for most of the year. Winter stationary park ups are problematic.

Perhaps I should have taken the time to read more of your posts on this topic. But wading through 230 messages is something I’m not going to do.
In my defence, I’ve been offline, due to no internet for over a week. It’s so easy to loose track. My excuse, and I’m sticking to it 🫣
 
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Trotter said:
You’re happy with your JuiceyBrucie then?
I’m okay for most of the year. Winter stationary park ups are problematic.

Perhaps I should have taken the time to read more of your posts on this topic. But wading through 230 messages is something I’m not going to do.
In my defence, I’ve been offline, due to no internet for over a week. It’s so easy to loose track. My excuse, and I’m sticking to it 🫣
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Don’t waste your time reading my posts I haven’t got a clue 😂😂
 
We were talking about this today and I think Bruce is missing a point (well 2 actually) Zapmap and just park. My drive and EV charger are available on Just Park, so in effect someone with this cable could park on my drive and charge their van (out of interest you would also get access to cassette emptying and fresh water but that’s just me) Electricity price is much less than podpoint, and my charger is 3 times faster.

I’ve looked on Zapmap and its not that hard to find places.
 
I’ve been struggling, over thinking, whatever , about my winter battery charging needs. I’ve got used to using leccy power, and the way the van is now set up, 240v via in inverter is now my preferred method.
I have lpg. My emergency backup .

I’ve thought about,
A second 460 battery
A Honda/ Hyundai generator
A JuicyBrucie

The last seems to be favourite.. I’ll very probably put an order in later in the year.
 
Trotter said:
You’re happy with your JuiceyBrucie then?
I’m okay for most of the year. Winter stationary park ups are problematic.

Perhaps I should have taken the time to read more of your posts on this topic. But wading through 230 messages is something I’m not going to do.
In my defence, I’ve been offline, due to no internet for over a week. It’s so easy to loose track. My
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I’m sure you would be happy with the cable and we have found it easy enough to use 👍
 
Geek said:
At 4 miles per KWh of battery capacity, if you are paying 58p per KWh (typical rate round here) that works out at 14.5p per mile.

With petrol at 132.7p per litre (the lowest price within 5 miles of where I am at present) that's £6.02 per gallon, so to pay 14.5p per mile you'd have to get 602/14.5 = 41.5mpg. Many cars can easily better that.

To make your EV do the equivalent of 65mpg you'd have to be paying the domestic rate of 34p per KWh. That's reasonable if you are charging at home, but this thread is about charging at public EV chargers, isn't it?

Of course the other factor is battery replacement. Per mile, I guess this could be as expensive as the electricity. I don't know though.

How long will batteries last? What will the replacement cost be? Will the old one have a resale value? Or will the car just be scrapped when the battery wears out?
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The current domestic rate for an EV charging at home is actually 7p/KWh the most expensive rate is 25.40p/KWh (Intelligent Octopus Go) and 4miles/KWh is low I get an average of 5.2m/KWh thats 0.013p/mile this gives a usable range of 240 miles (using the 20-80% charging rule) and 320 miles if like tomorrow I'm doing a long journey and set the charge to 100% (very rarely do this).

The quoted charge of 58p/KWh is also inaccurate I'm afraid, on a long journey (over the 320 miles range) I will normally want a break and will plan that around a charge point, if you use a charger on the motorway network you can expect more like 79p/KWh off the motorway network you can expect 29p/KWh but you'll get a slow charger with type 2 own cable, this will be no more than 22kw, but most EV'v only charge at 11kw on type 2. In this case your looking at 4 hours 20-80%.

In truth what you do is plan around Ionity stations and pay via Electroverse to get 8% off (71p/KWh) and put enough in to get to your destination.

From home to my second house is 405 miles so I drive to Gretna Green 251 miles arrive there with about 70 miles range (again using the 20-80% rule, dependant on many factors, but still always get there) and charge enough to do the remainder + a bit more to be safe that will be about 120 miles of range to add, about £30-35.00

That means the 405 miles cost me around £40.00 thats 10/mile ish

But remember on days like yesterday I charged to car from 31% to 80% completely free on Solar.
 
Boris7 said:
The quoted charge of 58p/KWh is also inaccurate I'm afraid, on a long journey (over the 320 miles range) I will normally want a break and will plan that around a charge point, if you use a charger on the motorway network you can expect more like 79p/KWh off the motorway network you can expect 29p/KWh but you'll get a slow charger with type 2 own cable, this will be no more than 22kw, but most EV'v only charge at 11kw on type 2. In this case your looking at 4 hours 20-80%.
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Those prices seem very different to the pricing where I live. FWIW, I just checked Zap-Map for chargers near me. The nearest (just over 10 miles away) is a Shell Recharge and the price isn't given on Zap-Map. However, every charger I found a price for were 53p/kWh for type 2 chargers, 69p/kWh for 50kW chargers and 79p/kWh for 100kW chargers -- i.e. the same price as Gridserve motorway chargers :(
I guess that pricing must vary considerable from one region to the next?
 
Boris7 said:
The current domestic rate for an EV charging at home is actually 7p/KWh the most expensive rate is 25.40p/KWh (Intelligent Octopus Go) and 4miles/KWh is low I get an average of 5.2m/KWh thats 0.013p/mile this gives a usable range of 240 miles (using the 20-80% charging rule) and 320 miles if like tomorrow I'm doing a long journey and set the charge to 100% (very rarely do this).
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Your 7p/KWh you quote? Is that a special EV Tariff that you are signed up to that also changes the cost per KWh as well? I have not got an EV so have not looked at any figures in detail, but from what I have scanned through, you get a better tariff for the EV for overnight charging by agreeing to pay a higher per KWh charge during the day for general use?
If that is the case (and if not, why don't we all get an "EV Tariff" to run everything cheaper overnight) then you should really factor in your INCREASED other electric costs you are incurring and apply that to the real cost of charging your EV at home rather than the 1.3p/mile? (think the 0.013p/mile was rather optimistic anyway ;) )


Boris7 said:
The quoted charge of 58p/KWh is also inaccurate I'm afraid, on a long journey (over the 320 miles range) I will normally want a break and will plan that around a charge point, if you use a charger on the motorway network you can expect more like 79p/KWh off the motorway network you can expect 29p/KWh but you'll get a slow charger with type 2 own cable, this will be no more than 22kw, but most EV'v only charge at 11kw on type 2. In this case your looking at 4 hours 20-80%.

In truth what you do is plan around Ionity stations and pay via Electroverse to get 8% off (71p/KWh) and put enough in to get to your destination.

From home to my second house is 405 miles so I drive to Gretna Green 251 miles arrive there with about 70 miles range (again using the 20-80% rule, dependant on many factors, but still always get there) and charge enough to do the remainder + a bit more to be safe that will be about 120 miles of range to add, about £30-35.00

That means the 405 miles cost me around £40.00 thats 10/mile ish

But remember on days like yesterday I charged to car from 31% to 80% completely free on Solar.
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At 79p/KWh on a car that is getting 5.2Miles/KWh, it is not really that cheap as EV fans like to claim. I would say I pay about the same pence per mile on my normal petrol car which cost a hell of a lot less to buy than the EV equivalent.
For someone who has the ability to charge cheaply at home, great. But for anyone who is obliged to use public charging, sometimes 100% of the time, the great saving of owning an EV just does not stack up.
 
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