Does an inverter switched off consume any power?

I think Eric May mean the main off switch on the EBL but not certain until he replies šŸ‘
Yes I was referring to the main switch on the EBL. I think that the dump valve is still connected though, need to check my book.
 
Yes I was referring to the main switch on the EBL. I think that the dump valve is still connected though, need to check my book.
Thought you were as it wouldn’t kill all power otherwise. I don’t have a dump valve so no idea, I know Del said his Adria dumped if battery was disconnected and I know Charlie’s does. Very unlikely the industry has a standard though eh ha ha
 
I have only ever operated it when removing battery’s
Just checked my book and it says that the following remain connected, safety/drainage valve, heater, entrance light , entrance step, spare 4, and AES Refrigerator. It also says that appliances such as safety/drainage valve, charger, solar charge regulator and panel consume 20ma to 65ma when the 12v main switch is turned off.
The problem for me is my starter battery which is depleted quite quickly by the the alarm/ immobiliser so I have the moho on hookup quite regularly.
 
I've just checked my EBL 220-2 there is definitely no on / off switch, I've had a few EBL's and never known a physical switch on them.
I think the "main switch" you refer to is the internal solenoid operated one switched via your control panel.
Whilst you've got your book to hand check for the instructions for isolating (switching off), it suggest a procedure carried out from the control panel.
 
I’ve switched it off and it is now showing a charge.

I switched it back on again and reprogrammed the radio and it’s discharging even with the radio off

then I switched off the EBL again and turned it back on without touching the radio, and it’s back showing a charge even though it’s getting a bit dimpsy here.

I've left it now and will monitor it again tomorrow.

then I’ll turn on the radio and see what happens, I’m hoping it’s again going to show a discharge, and therefore demonstrate a radio issue. Maybe
 
I’ve switched it off and it is now showing a charge.

I switched it back on again and reprogrammed the radio and it’s discharging even with the radio off

then I switched off the EBL again and turned it back on without touching the radio, and it’s back showing a charge even though it’s getting a bit dimpsy here.

I've left it now and will monitor it again tomorrow.

then I’ll turn on the radio and see what happens, I’m hoping it’s again going to show a discharge, and therefore demonstrate a radio issue. Maybe
questions:
1) is it an original Radio or is it an aftermarket unit?
2) does the radio go and off automatically with the ignition or do you have to use the radio on/off control to turn it on and off?
 
It is a JVC aftermarket DAB system I put in as a replacement for the basic unit fitted when I bought the MH. I’ve not touched the vehicle wiring to do the install so there’s no iffy wiring to be worried about, it was all plug and play using the industry standard din fittings.

However it is not ignition switched, it’s either on from the on/off switch or off and so it will play permanently if so desired.
 
It is a JVC aftermarket DAB system I put in as a replacement for the basic unit fitted when I bought the MH. I’ve not touched the vehicle wiring to do the install so there’s no iffy wiring to be worried about, it was all plug and play using the industry standard din fittings.

However it is not ignition switched, it’s either on from the on/off switch or off and so it will play permanently if so desired.
OK. The wiring could be the problem here.
Usually you have a +ve Permanent Connection (coloured Yellow typically) that goes to the vehicle battery and is always powered; There is also a Switched/Accessory +ve Connection (coloured Red typically) that goes to an switched/ignition souce so gets powered with the key.
It is unusual to not have the Red connected to an ignition source if the wiring is standard and not doing so can have the consequences you are seeing on some radios ....
If the radio you took out was very basic, then having the +ve Accessory on Live wouldn't have mattered other then no auto-on on ignition, but what can happen, especially on the more advanced units with DAB and Bluetooth Connectivity, is the radio on/off button does not actually turn the radio fully off! the Bluetooth module is still powered up - and using power - all the time the Red +ve Accessory wire has +12V on it.
It is not all radios, and I don't know if JVCs have this 'feature' or not, but if it does the only way to sort it is to have the +ve Accessory input switched.
This is a common problem with the VW T5s when people fit aftermarket radios as VW do not supply a switched +12V on the vehicle radio loom and the quick 'fix' that is done (even by car radio installers!) is to connect the Red and Yellow wires together. Doesn't break anything on the radio but means there is a drain on the battery from the radio 24/7. And in the case of the T5, you have to pick up an ignition signal from elsewhere and run a flylead to the radio to fit it properly (or use a Canbus spoofer, but that is a different matter which wouldn't apply to you if you had the standard pair of 8 pin ISO plugs)

To Check, disconnect the red wire (usually has bullet connections on both the Red and Yellow wires for rewiring purposes) overnight and see if ther drain is reduced.
If so - To fix:
1) Check if the red wire always has +12V on it even when radio is on.
2) if so, see if there is an switched supply on the radio loom you can use (it is very unlikely to be red mind. the red and yellow are radio industry standard, not car makers) and connect the red wire to it
3) if there is no switched supply, you could put a switch in-between the red wire connection to the vehicle and it going into the radio, and then use that switch to turn on the radio.

It is in a way the same situation as in your original question .... is an inverter really off when it is switched off. And a similar answer (but for a different reason).

You also said that "....from the on/off switch or off and so it will play permanently if so desired.". That can be very handy, especially in a camper/motorhome. If you add a switch, you can still do that. If you connect to the ignition you cannot - but you could if, (plugging one of my kits again, sorry) you fit a Drive/Camping Radio Loom kit which will let you operate both ways depending on how you set the switch.

HTH.
 
I haven’t been outside to get a chance to see the MH today and so I can’t report on what the state of play is. Tomorrow maybe a bit iffy as well - weā€˜re kind of locked inside the house as I’ve got the front pathway and driveway being resurfaced and it won’t be hard enough to walk on for a while.

incidentally, the MH wiring is not 100% Fiat, as it appears that the volts and amps for the radio is sourced via the leisure batteries and not the starter battery, maybe altered by Burstner to overcome the auto-switch off on a normal radio set up.

please do not apologise for offering a solution available from yourself - we, who are less knowledgeable need to be led towards some bits and pieces, and if you have a solution so much the better for all of us.


edit. Also the +12v wire is in place and retains the memory side of things when everything is ā€˜offā€
 
I haven’t been outside to get a chance to see the MH today and so I can’t report on what the state of play is. Tomorrow maybe a bit iffy as well - weā€˜re kind of locked inside the house as I’ve got the front pathway and driveway being resurfaced and it won’t be hard enough to walk on for a while.

incidentally, the MH wiring is not 100% Fiat, as it appears that the volts and amps for the radio is sourced via the leisure batteries and not the starter battery, maybe altered by Burstner to overcome the auto-switch off on a normal radio set up.

please do not apologise for offering a solution available from yourself - we, who are less knowledgeable need to be led towards some bits and pieces, and if you have a solution so much the better for all of us.


edit. Also the +12v wire is in place and retains the memory side of things when everything is ā€˜offā€
The Permanent +12V is there to provide the main power when the radio is running, but also as you say, maintain the settings when off. The memory side of it is a very small power drain and is pretty hard to read unless you have a very good way to read the current (talking milliamps here).
using the leisure battery to power the radio is perfectly fine and very often a good idea if you use the in-dash radio a fair bit when parked/camped up (I have that as an option on my drive/camping kit and I would guess that about 1 in 4 people change to a Leisure Battery power setup when they change the radio) . It doesn't stop the use of having the radio come on and go off with the key if you wanted that feature and usually does not prevent the annoying auto-off on newer factory in-dash units (this 'feature' is usually only present on systems controlled by Canbus and connected in most makes with the Quadlock connectors (looks like a pair of ISO 8-Pins side by side with a lever to lock into place)). I don't know if the Fiats use this method. I know VAG (VW, Audi, Skoda), Vauxhall and PSA (Peugeot, Citroen, DS) do so I think it likely FIAT will as well. Depending on vehicle model, would have started to appear from around 2005.
 
Yes I do recall it uses the quad lock system, nice and easy, no worries about getting the wrong wires all mixed up.
 
Yes I do recall it uses the quad lock system, nice and easy, no worries about getting the wrong wires all mixed up.
you might think ;) I am sure now you have said that that you have the red and yellow tied together and that is likely causing excessive current drain.
 
Thanks for that. I’ll pull the radio tomorrow and see what goes where beyond the simple plug that I will have used.
 

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