LPG problems ahead

Yes true perhaps.

We have in the gas locker but don't use one of those bottle-shaped magnetic gauges, it is just the same type of material as you use on fish tanks I think.

I'll try it next time I go down to the van if I remember, it's quite scruffy looking so maybe goosed by now.
 
Okta said:
The pressure gauges are pretty close to meaningless. The gas pressure should not drop at all until very nearly empty, it has more to do with temperature than volume of gas.
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That's why I went for the Mopeka ultrasonic sensors ...

App on my phone with a user settable warning level

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wildebus said:
BTW, Brand New Diesel vans will still be on sale in 2030 and beyond ;)

Diesel and Petrol engines for new Cars and PLG Vans is currently due to be phased out in 2030 it is true. But new Diesel HGV Vans will continue to be available until at least 2035.

Want a NEW diesel Motorhome in 2033 and no longer got a C1 License? No Problem. Buy a 3650Kg one, and then once registered, downplate it to 3500Kg. Sorted.
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Okta said:
The pressure gauges are pretty close to meaningless. The gas pressure should not drop at all until very nearly empty, it has more to do with temperature than volume of gas.
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I went to see a lovely sounding Mercedes MH but when I got there discovered it was 3650kg and I didn't do the grandfather thing when I was 70. I did think of downplating it but it would only have had such a small payload that by the time it was filled with water and wife, (and me) it would have been overweight. Thinks: if vehicles being overweight is an offence, why isn't people being overweight an offence ? . . . I'd better shut up. :)


As for gas, the pressure inside the propane or LPG cylinder varies according to temperature. It is from memory as a retired gas man with a bad memory, something like 1.5 Bar at 0 deg C, to 24 Bar at 70 deg C. Not that you are going to experience 70 degrees, but the point is that the pressure varies enormously with temperature. This is what the pressure gauge directly connected to the bottle will register so you can see why they are pretty unreliable. The regulator reduces this pressure to 37mBar, or 37 thousandths of one Bar which is what your appliances run off.

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That Evergas ship:
We were on a recent cruise (it being cheaper than staying on an English camp site) and saw various similar ships which prompted me to look at the difference between some ships we saw bearing LNG in big letters and others shouting LPG in big letters.
LNG is Liquid Natural Gas and LPG as you all know is Liquid Petroleum Gas. The difference is therefore pretty clear: LNG is liquified natural gas, it is just dug out of the earth and bottled whereas LPG has to be refined from crude oil. One might conclude that LNG is better for the environment than LPG. One might be right, or one might be wrong, I am not a scientist so I don't know but I would have thought that LNG is better and they are building a lot of new ships using it as the fuel of choice.
 
gasgas said:
That Evergas ship:
We were on a recent cruise (it being cheaper than staying on an English camp site) and saw various similar ships which prompted me to look at the difference between some ships we saw bearing LNG in big letters and others shouting LPG in big letters.
LNG is Liquid Natural Gas and LPG as you all know is Liquid Petroleum Gas. The difference is therefore pretty clear: LNG is liquified natural gas, it is just dug out of the earth and bottled whereas LPG has to be refined from crude oil. One might conclude that LNG is better for the environment than LPG. One might be right, or one might be wrong, I am not a scientist so I don't know but I would have thought that LNG is better and they are building a lot of new ships using it as the fuel of choice.
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Is LPG like the more modern version of "Town Gas" that was made from Coal? and LNG is the gas that you see burning at the top of Oil Rigs?
 
gasgas said:
I Thinks: if vehicles being overweight is an offence, why isn't people being overweight an offence ? . . . I'd better shut up. :)

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It is for us that have to look at them.
 
Not really, LPG is distilled from crude oil at an oil refinery. Yes, LNG is the liqueified (is that too many i's and e's?) version of the gas that usually lives on top of an oil lake underground, the liquified version of what our central heating and gas hobs run off. Town gas was indeed made from coal and was used on the Isle of Man until about 2003 which is when I got gas certified (and they still haven't found me) and we called it 'Mickey Mouse Gas'. It was rubbish, the pressure at an appliance would jump up and down faster than a bride's nighty.


Propane being LPG comes from oil, and inside your LPG bottle there will be a small amount of oil in the bottom. Thus they do not rust from the inside. Small amounts of this oil leave the bottle in tiny droplets and come up your pipework towards the appliance. They can clog up the jets and cause malfunctioning of course. Thus, Truma would like to sell you a filter - which I think is A Good Thing and I have one fitted on my system: This place is somewhat cheaper than ebay:
theleisurewarehouse.co.uk

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It's a bit expensive considering what it is, but they won't sell many so that heightens the price. The reason I would recommend one is my experience of going to a customer's house where they ran their central heating and cooker off Calor bottles outside. The complaint was continual extinguishing of the hob flames. I turned on the hob without lighting it, and I could hear a bubbling sound from the jet. Outside I found the pipework from the bottles ran along the outside wall, and some of the pipe fixings had rusted away so the pipe had a valley shape. In that valley, oil from the gas had condensed and collected in a pool. The gas pressure was enough to get past the pool, but in bursts, hence the bubbling sound. I disconnected the pipework and drained the oil out of the pipe. The smell is unbelievable. Worse than when I worked as a kid on a mink farm. I got some of the LPG oil on my clothes in the process, and had to throw them away it was that bad. Anyway when I had refitted the drained pipework the gas hob worked fine and it was all safe. I recommended the customer should get a filter - but on the other hand it would have taken a few years for this situation to develop. I later sold my van to get rid of the smell.
 
Whooooooosh said:

Station Finder - Motor Fuel Group - Find Your Nearest MFG Service Station

With over 900 locations across the UK, use our new station finder to find your nearest fuel station, forecourt stores and EV charging points.
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FYI - If the fact that MFG are to stop selling LPG worries you, do what I did and use the link above to see if any of the forecourts you use are part of MFG.

Turns out none of them that do LPG near me are MFG so NBD.

So now I'm not worried. GTR

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DWA 😉

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we use this one in Europe because that's where we tour the most does uk as well GPL/DIESEL/PETROL .cheyenne

LPG stations - myLPG.eu

List of LPG stations in countries around the world. Click on a country to find LPG stations and other info about LPG.
www.mylpg.eu
 
Yes, it's a good app, I also use petrol prices.
 
I doubt there will be many places to fill up with that though.

they make some impressive claims.
 
nabsim said:
I watched a video on one of the ev channels I follow yesterday and they said Germany has dropped the full EV by such a date and is now going for some type of sustainable fuel in ICE vehicles. Didn't think that much of it when I heard it and haven't done any research to establish how true (or not) this is. Anyone else heard this?
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