V-16 Emergency Lamps

[merl]

The subject of these emergency beacons has been extensively debated on a French motorhomers' forum and it transpires that the Spanish authorities have now issued clarification that foreign-registered vehicles do not need to be so equipped. The requirement applies solely to Spanish-registered vehicles.

Just checked and it Says EVERY vehicle here

https://www.dgt.es/export/sites/web-DGT/.galleries/downloads/muevete-con-seguridad/tecnologia-e-innovacion/certificados-v16/230602_SENAL-V-16_v10-EN.pdf

 

[TJBi]

Just checked and it Says EVERY vehicle here

https://www.dgt.es/export/sites/web-DGT/.galleries/downloads/muevete-con-seguridad/tecnologia-e-innovacion/certificados-v16/230602_SENAL-V-16_v10-EN.pdf

See https://www.dgt.es/export/sites/web...-16-CIRCULACION-INTERNACIONALfin.pdf.xsig.pdf
(and in particular the paragraph that states: "Tomando como referencia lo dispuesto en la Convención sobre Circulación Vial de Viena de 8 de noviembre de 1968, aquellos vehículos que estén matriculados en otros países y que circulen por España en situación de circulación internacional, se considera que se encontrarán cumpliendo la normativa si portan, o si fuera necesario, utilizando los triángulos de preseñalización o cualquier otro dispositivo de análoga funcionalidad implementado en la normativa del país de origen."

 

[2cv]

See https://www.dgt.es/export/sites/web...-16-CIRCULACION-INTERNACIONALfin.pdf.xsig.pdf
(and in particular the paragraph that states: "Tomando como referencia lo dispuesto en la Convención sobre Circulación Vial de Viena de 8 de noviembre de 1968, aquellos vehículos que estén matriculados en otros países y que circulen por España en situación de circulación internacional, se considera que se encontrarán cumpliendo la normativa si portan, o si fuera necesario, utilizando los triángulos de preseñalización o cualquier otro dispositivo de análoga funcionalidad implementado en la normativa del país de origen."

Translated;
"Taking as a reference the provisions of the Vienna Convention on Road Traffic of November 8, 1968, those vehicles that are registered in other countries and that circulate in Spain in a situation of international circulation, it is considered that they will be complying with the regulations if they carry, or if necessary, using the warning triangles or any other device of similar functionality implemented in the regulations of the country of origin."

 

[wildebus]

sounds like a worthwhile safety thing though, so even if not legally required, still a good idea

 

[Frogman]

Here's the official announcement in English to avoid any doubt. It seems to imply that use of a V-16 beacon may not be legal in some countries. UK? - Where we don't even require a triangle?

 

[TJBi]

sounds like a worthwhile safety thing though, so even if not legally required, still a good idea

The issue is likely to be with getting full functionality. Apparently a French motorhomer ordered one and was told to download an app from Play Store, but that app is not available in France (and probably most countries other than Spain. Apparently, in order to register with the service a Spanish ID card number is required.

 

[wildebus]

The issue is likely to be with getting full functionality. Apparently a French motorhomer ordered one and was told to download an app from Play Store, but that app is not available in France (and probably most countries other than Spain. Apparently, in order to register with the service a Spanish ID card number is required.

oh right. I thought you would just switch it on.
having an app to acitvate a safety feature is a bit daft IMO. what if the lights are needed after an accident and the phone is broken in the crash? or all sorts of other complications.

 

[merl]

I guess the device Bluetooths to your phone and then it uses the phones GPS to perform the location function.
I don't think you can get accurate GPS otherwise unless you paid for a subscription service like you have with car and dog trackers.

 

[marchie]

Here's the official announcement in English to avoid any doubt. It seems to imply that use of a V-16 beacon may not be legal in some countries. UK? - Where we don't even require a triangle?

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Not illegal; UK citizens have carried Warning Triangles within EU for donkey's years, so, by extension ( and going back pre-Spain decision to switch to the location lamp device), UK driver would be compliant with French law with the triangle; and the French driver with his/her triangle would also be compliant. So any attempt to prosecute a UK driver would be open to challenge under Human Rights anti-discrimination provisions and Spain would be a laughing stock, especially when the Daily Fail printed the story and the value of *all" tourism spend by UK in Spain, rather than the M/home figure which is appreciably less (accuracy and the D.Fail are often mutually exclusive as its reporting history shows). Off on a tangent corrected before Donald Trump enters stage left ...

Steve

 

[TJBi]

oh right. I thought you would just switch it on.
having an app to acitvate a safety feature is a bit daft IMO. what if the lights are needed after an accident and the phone is broken in the crash? or all sorts of other complications.

I guess the device Bluetooths to your phone and then it uses the phones GPS to perform the location function.
I don't think you can get accurate GPS otherwise unless you paid for a subscription service like you have with car and dog trackers.

As I understand it, the device does not use the phone for geolocation or for communication or activation. However, the device itself presumably needs to be registered to the vehicle and the owner, and I assume that that is the purpose of the app. Whether it has any other functions (checking battery state?...), I don't know.