What tyres

Vanterrier said:
I don't know what your van is but you might consider buying Conti Vanco2 tyres instead of VancoCamper ( at risk of Being shot down by those who believe Camper tyres are essential). They are cheaper and in my opinion as good.
Try mytyres.com on line for competitive prices but don't forget to factor in fitting prices locally.
18000 miles is far less than I saw with my previous VancoCamper tyres on my old PVC
Good luck
K ;)
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Not wanting to shoot you down at all, but interested as to why you think non camper tires are as good as camper tyres. As I understand it CP rates tyres have strengthened side walls and stronger internal makeup.
 
Iandsm said:
Not wanting to shoot you down at all, but interested as to why you think non camper tires are as good as camper tyres. As I understand it CP rates tyres have strengthened side walls and stronger internal makeup.
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Why are CP tyres not fitted to Mercedes or Ford motorhomes?
 
Iandsm said:
As I understand it CP rates tyres have strengthened side walls and stronger internal makeup.
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Yes, that may well be true, but that doesn't make them better. Commercial tyres are designed to carry the load they are rated for.
Only if you expect to grossly overload, or you expect to frequently kerb the sidewalls would over-heavy construction be useful.
Camping tyres are rarely a wise choice.
 
You might also consider a brand not often mentioned on this site, but these Pirelli’s get really good ratings on wet performance, economy and noise ........

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hairydog said:
Yes, that may well be true, but that doesn't make them better. Commercial tyres are designed to carry the load they are rated for.
Only if you expect to grossly overload, or you expect to frequently kerb the sidewalls would over-heavy construction be useful.
Camping tyres are rarely a wise choice.
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Having looked at the manufacturers websites and the various motorhome ones I think I will stick with CP rated tyres because they are designed for higher loads and pressures, should I ever go over, and of course I cannot be certain never to kerb a sidewall. I appreciate your thoughts but for me a greater margin a safety is a wise choice, the greater cost involved does not matter.
 
Carrerasax said:
Should I change from continental vancocamper tyres that are down to 3mm after only 18,000 miles!!!!
If so what are Best Buy value/mileage.
Only under 3,500kg so don’t particularly need extra grip.
Have option of using spare and only buying one new if I stick with current ones.
Best price I have found in Essex is £154!!!! Better than £275 paid in Spain when I had a flat on motorway in Spain at 3.000 miles!!!!
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Interesting discussion. With so much depending on driving skill its not easy to isolate the issues involved in making this choice. There was a highly detailed investigation made by TCS , a Swiss motoring organisation similar to the German ADAC.. The results of their investigation were as follows
Aquaplaning – Test results: BETTER TYRES AT THE FRONT
Braking on a wet surface with ABS – Test results: BETTER TYRES AT THE FRONT
Driving in a circle on a wet surface – Test results: BETTER TYRES AT THE FRONT
Steering behaviour on a wet surface without ESP – Test results: BETTER TYRES ON THE REAR
Steering behaviour on a wet surface with ESP – Test results: BETTER TYRES ON THE REAR when there is a significant difference between the tyres. BETTER TYRES AT THE FRONT when there is a minor difference between the tyres
Lane changing on a wet surface without ESP – Test results: BETTER TYRES ON THE REAR
Braking on a dry surface with ABS – BETTER TYRES AT THE FRONT (the results didn’t differ much)

You can find more about this and other organisations test results here
https://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-article/better-tyres-in-the-front-or-rear-test-results
 
Interesting read and more upto date (2015) then when my impressions were formed

That last paragraph sums it up

“One easy way to avoid this question entirely, of course, is to purchase a new set of tyres. In addition to helping you avoid the age-old dilemma between front or rear tyres, this will also improve the overall safety and performance of your vehicle.”
 
Iandsm said:
I don't know. perhaps its a cost saving thing to keep costs down or maybe they don't think they are needed.
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Then why are they needed on SEVAL [Fiat, Citroen and Peugeot] models? I know that SEVAL had a partnership with Michelin to develop Camper tyres.
 
Iandsm said:
Having looked at the manufacturers websites and the various motorhome ones I think I will stick with CP rated tyres because they are designed for higher loads and pressures, should I ever go over, and of course I cannot be certain never to kerb a sidewall. I appreciate your thoughts but for me a greater margin a safety is a wise choice, the greater cost involved does not matter.
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It's not the cost: it's the high pressure and harsh ride that causes that's the problem. The extra cost is insignificant compared to the fuel spend.
 
rayc said:
Then why are they needed on SEVAL [Fiat, Citroen and Peugeot] models? I know that SEVAL had a partnership with Michelin to develop Camper tyres.
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There are enough buyers who think they are worth having to make it worth fitting them. But that doesn't make them a wise choice. If it did, they'd be fitted to delivery vans as well
 
hairydog said:
It's not the cost: it's the high pressure and harsh ride that causes that's the problem. The extra cost is insignificant compared to the fuel spend.
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The Fiat pressures for mine are front 5bar, rear 5.5bar. Continental gave me a pressure of front 3.5bar rear 4.25bar for the tyres at maximum axle load.
 
Trek said:
“One easy way to avoid this question entirely, of course, is to purchase a new set of tyres. In addition to helping you avoid the age-old dilemma between front or rear tyres, this will also improve the overall safety and performance of your vehicle.”
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It'll also make more money for tyre companies. And your part-worn tyres will be sold on to other people, I hope. Scrapping them would be very wasteful.
 
We had standard truck tyres on our 7.5 ton RV, they don’t make Camper tyres and there are tens of thousands of these vehicles running around without the need for strengthened sidewalls
We had VancoCamper tyres on our 3700kg Autosleeper, the fronts were almost down to the limit after 3 years and 23000 miles.
Luckily, we sold it before I needed to replace the tyres.
Our previous van was a 21 year old Swift fitted with commercial winter van tyres and weighed in at 3500kg. After 20000 miles, there was hardly any wear on the tyres, they were quiet and gripped well in snow and mud, and even dry roads, though I never drove it like I was on the Nurburgring circuit!

Our latest van came with VancoCamper tyres, I’ll be interested to see how these wear, they are 225 width on 16” rims and the van weighs 3850kg.

If I were putting 2 new tyres on a van, they would go on the front every time. If the rears are only 2 years old and lightly worn, they will still perform almost as new tyres.
 
hairydog said:
It's not the cost: it's the high pressure and harsh ride that causes that's the problem. The extra cost is insignificant compared to the fuel spend.
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I have always had CP types as they were fitted originally. Do you think I would get a better ride with non CP. I have to say my Fiat Rapido has never been what I would describe as smooth.
 
Go check the load ratings yourself on the manufacturer's site. You may find the odd size where the camping tyre has a higher load rating, but in general, the non-camping versions have at least equal or a higher load rating.
 
Years ago I remember reading that motorhome specific tyres (CPs) had been developed with stronger sidewalls because they spent a lot more time standing and thereby creating flat spots. Commercially used vans have little time to stand still and deform.
 
The sidewalls were stronger so they wouldn't deform so easily causing the flat spots.
 
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