Please please stay off the roads!,,,

And most crashes near home - presumably because we spent most time there and 'know' the roads!
 
As we came through Valladolid on The motorway there was a large police presence down to one lane all cars pulled lorries & English plates waved through
 
381 new deaths in the U.K. overnight and the government and public still don’t seem to be taking it seriously.
Police are criticised for challenging and videoing people while out, probably because there are mixed messages and no real guidelines from the government as to what they should do.
If the U.K. did something similar to what France have done, then maybe people will get the message. It’s more difficult to kid yourself it’s safe for you to go out if you have to fill in a piece of paper with the reason you are away from home and risk a fine if you are caught out. Then the police could legitimately penalise you for being stupid.
OK, some say there aren’t enough police around, but it will only take a few fines being reported for the message to get across.
 
snapster said:
381 new deaths in the U.K. overnight and the government and public still don’t seem to be taking it seriously.
Police are criticised for challenging and videoing people while out, probably because there are mixed messages and no real guidelines from the government as to what they should do.
If the U.K. did something similar to what France have done, then maybe people will get the message. It’s more difficult to kid yourself it’s safe for you to go out if you have to fill in a piece of paper with the reason you are away from home and risk a fine if you are caught out. Then the police could legitimately penalise you for being stupid.
OK, some say there aren’t enough police around, but it will only take a few fines being reported for the message to get across.
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Every official points out that compliance with the very clear guidelines for leaving the house is very high.
Did the French or Italians build several 3-4000 build hospitals?
The numbers are bound to rise before they go down.
It'll be interesting to see the final numbers in due course.
 
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Driving up from Hull to Biggar on the motorways I noticed a drop in the traffic in Scotland. No more builders vans. The matrix signs in Scotland showed "Covid 19. No unnecessary travel". No such signs on the English side.
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There were signs for Covid19 and unnecessary travel all the way up the M6 from Birmingham to its end in cumbria. How do I know ? I had some very necessary travel to help vulnerable family .
 
Both of us are at risk over 70. Today I have to go 5 miles to ASDA to pick up a grocery order which I did two weeks ago. I have tried every day for weeks now on all the major supermarket sites to get delivery but with no luck.
They are supposed to be looking after the elderly so why not ask for date of birth when you register with them. I know plenty of younger folks still out and about getting deliveries. We tried the 9-10am at Tesco designated for older people but it was full of mummies and kids who were speculating the shelves would be full, we queued for 30mins to get to a check out herded together like cattle. Won’t do that again.
I don’t want to go out to the supermarket but unfortunately I have too.
 
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The police are on the look out here in Norfolk. Yesterday one of the builders I use told me of another guy out in his van going to a job with his labourer in the van. Police car pulled him over and asked if the two were related? When told no they were advised not to travel in same vehicle as they cold not be the 2m apart. They were issued with a written warning! What annoys me is in this county at least all builders merchants are shut and only delivering to essential projects (hosp work mains services i.e. water, gas, elect etc) and yet were a friend lives in Leeds there are 2 sites where they are building new v large private houses and the site is full of workers; she estimated around 15 builders vans and good 30 or so workers - I know Boris wants businesses to continue where they can but only as long as they can abide by the regulations. This site clearly doesn't and one wonders what the client is offering even at serious risk to their health! I'' in architecture and have been self-employed since May last year following the company I worked for going bust. I have no idea what and if I am able to get anything from government as all my jobs lined up have now literally dried up amongst all this uncertainty. Added to this seeing my personal savings ISA drop by 25% and worried stiff over my personal pension (which I hope to take in 4 years time). It seems there are good folk who will do as asked to get this terrible situation over with as soon as possible and those who think they know better and will prolong it and ruin mine and other self-employed folks lives. I therefore would love the police to be given more powers to clamp down on these doing unnecessary travel - for goodness sake listen and lets save many many lives. My poor wife is a nurse and at 60 years old is already exhausted and from what she tells me there's worse to come!!!!!!!!
 
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There were signs for Covid19 and unnecessary travel all the way up the M6 from Birmingham to its end in cumbria. How do I know ? I had some very necessary travel to help vulnerable family .
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Glad to hear that. They did not have the messages when I came up last Thursday. Better late than never.
 
The laird said:
I still can’t get my head Round why o why so many cars are on the road ,I’m sure they are not meant to be I hope I’m wrong
yesterday on my way down from up north I passed 7 motorhomes heading north
make my blood boil !!!!!!!! To say I’m annoyed would be a understatement
I’ve also emailed GMT’s crowd asking why reporters are moving around ie reporting outside Westminster ( holiday a week early!) outside balmoral to let us know hrh is not well !
im out working my wife is a nurse so come on you lot get real!
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Maybe the motorhomes were on their way home from the EU like we were last week. Not making a excuse for them but could be the case?
 
Please STAY HOME, certainly don’t come to Cornwall or go anywhere, sure I’m speaking to the converted here but!!!!!!
 
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As we drove up from Folkestone yesterday it was very obvious the amount of cars & vans on the road compared to Spain & France , I know population density has an affect but lorries were comparative lots more cars and vans everywhere here?
 
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As we drove up from Folkestone yesterday it was very obvious the amount of cars & vans on the road compared to Spain & France , I know population density has an affect but lorries were comparative lots more cars and vans everywhere here?
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I think Spain is a lot more locked down , here there are more working to try and keep some form of economy going . Spains lockdown isnt proving that effective by the numbers .
 
According to the office of national statistics, this March had a lower mortality rate than the average for the last 5 years. It tends to be people who are very ill that are being tested, so the apparent fatality rate is artificially increased. A number of medical researchers are saying that the covid-19 is much more prevalent in the general population with many not even knowing they have had it, so the actual fatality rate is very low - much lower then normal flu which kills on average about 17,000 people each year in the UK.
Yet we do not lock-down the country for the flu season.
The other factor to consider is that when someone currently dies, it is recorded as a covid-19 death if they had the virus at time of death even if it was something else, or a combination of factors that resulted in the death.
A lot of hysteria has been whisked up by the media which itself is not healthy.
Both Sweden and Japan have taken minimal measures against this new virus and so far at least are not getting the dramatic increases that professor Ferguson of Imperial College has predicted. It is his mathematical modelling that has caused the UK government to take the unprecedented extreme measures we are forced to live under. It was his modelling that caused the mass slaughter of cattle in the BSE scare, and of animals in the Foot and Mouth scare. Both of which remedies in retrospect are considered to have been excessively extreme, and resulted in the bankruptcy of farmers and many suicides. It seems strange that this professor is being heeded while others who argue this remedy is far worse in its results than the virus itself are being dismissed. After all if the country is totally bankrupted by the lock-down there will in future be no NHS or state pensions, which would certainly cause many unnecessary deaths.
While it might well be sensible to take some precautions against this new virus - like not using public transport or being in closely crowded spaces, it seems to me to be very unhealthy to point the finger at others who are seen as not so virtuous as ourselves. After all, the panic may well be grossly over-blown.
 
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According to the office of national statistics, this March had a lower mortality rate than the average for the last 5 years. It tends to be people who are very ill that are being tested, so the apparent fatality rate is artificially increased. A number of medical researchers are saying that the covid-19 is much more prevalent in the general population with many not even knowing they have had it, so the actual fatality rate is very low - much lower then normal flu which kills on average about 17,000 people each year in the UK.
Yet we do not lock-down the country for the flu season.
The other factor to consider is that when someone currently dies, it is recorded as a covid-19 death if they had the virus at time of death even if it was something else, or a combination of factors that resulted in the death.
A lot of hysteria has been whisked up by the media which itself is not healthy.
Both Sweden and Japan have taken minimal measures against this new virus and so far at least are not getting the dramatic increases that professor Ferguson of Imperial College has predicted. It is his mathematical modelling that has caused the UK government to take the unprecedented extreme measures we are forced to live under. It was his modelling that caused the mass slaughter of cattle in the BSE scare, and of animals in the Foot and Mouth scare. Both of which remedies in retrospect are considered to have been excessively extreme, and resulted in the bankruptcy of farmers and many suicides. It seems strange that this professor is being heeded while others who argue this remedy is far worse in its results than the virus itself are being dismissed. After all if the country is totally bankrupted by the lock-down there will in future be no NHS or state pensions, which would certainly cause many unnecessary deaths.
While it might well be sensible to take some precautions against this new virus - like not using public transport or being in closely crowded spaces, it seems to me to be very unhealthy to point the finger at others who are seen as not so virtuous as ourselves. After all, the panic may well be grossly over-blown.
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As can be seen, the number of cases in UK did not begin to increase rapidly until towards the end of the month, which explains the relatively normal death rate for the whole of the month, especially considering it was not unseasonably cold.
 
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As can be seen, the number of cases in UK did not begin to increase rapidly until towards the end of the month, which explains the relatively normal death rate for the whole of the month, especially considering it was not unseasonably cold.
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As I wrote earlier, UK statistics for covid-19 deaths include anyone who has the virus at time of death regardless of whether it was that that actually killed them. They probably had caffeine in them too, but it is not stated that they died of caffeine. The statistics are therefore not very useful, and in fact it appears they are deliberately being miss-used to create panic.
Ultimately, either a successful vaccine has to be quickly developed and used, or the country has to obtain herd immunity, which means a good percentage of the population has to catch the virus. That's the reality. So numbers of cases have to go up or we will be in lock-down indefinitely - or until the economy and society collapses.
There is a lot of virtue signalling going on - you are not going to catch the virus alone or with your household in a car or motorhome, or in a quiet rural or beach space. There is no reasonable argument to be made that this should be stopped. Those calling for it are calling for a total police state.
Personally I think only the very vulnerable should be in voluntary lock-down, with the rest of society getting back to relative normality but trying to avoid close proximity to others. We are in a time of classic mass hysteria. In this fast paced mass panic so many of our hard gained rights and liberties have been taken away, as usual, "all for our own good". To me that is the most worrying thing about all this.
 
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As I wrote earlier, UK statistics for covid-19 deaths include anyone who has the virus at time of death regardless of whether it was that that actually killed them. They probably had caffeine in them too, but it is not stated that they died of caffeine. The statistics are therefore not very useful, and in fact it appears they are deliberately being miss-used to create panic.
Ultimately, either a successful vaccine has to be quickly developed and used, or the country has to obtain herd immunity, which means a good percentage of the population has to catch the virus. That's the reality. So numbers of cases have to go up or we will be in lock-down indefinitely - or until the economy and society collapses.
There is a lot of virtue signalling going on - you are not going to catch the virus alone or with your household in a car or motorhome, or in a quiet rural or beach space. There is no reasonable argument to be made that this should be stopped. Those calling for it are calling for a total police state.
Personally I think only the very vulnerable should be in voluntary lock-down, with the rest of society getting back to relative normality but trying to avoid close proximity to others. We are in a time of classic mass hysteria. In this fast paced mass panic so many of our hard gained rights and liberties have been taken away, as usual, "all for our own good". To me that is the most worrying thing about all this.
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Losing your life takes away many of your hard gained rights. Doing your own thing may take away someone else’s life.
 
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