Aerotoxic radio programme.

The emotional phrase is:

....looking for a tombstone before anyone with any horsepower is going to take interest."

That from a manufacturer's employee. ☹️

The previous five email trail was interesting too, but not in a good way. I'm not a lover of people who multi cc pretending that by copying them it somehow becomes their problem.
 
That was the email referred to in post 160. It can happen with emails, they become buried under an avalanche of newer stuff. ☹️
 
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Good news that a less toxic oil is being developed;



The recently held 'Aircraft Cabin Air Conference' in London has revealed a new jet engine oil that may reduce the hazard associated with the ongoing issue of contaminated breathing air on passenger aircraft.

27 September 2024

London, England.

The breathing air supply on commercial jet aircraft, known as ‘bleed air’, comes in flight from the engines and is known to become contaminated with engine oil, engine oil decomposition products and/or hydraulic fluids.

At the recent conference, French engine oil manufacturer NYCO presented extensive research in their development of a new 'less hazardous' jet engine oil. The new oil now needs engine manufacturers such as Rolls-Royce, GE, Pratt & Whitney, IAE International Aero Engines, CFM, Honeywell and others to 'qualify' the oil so it can be used on the wide spectrum of jet engines used to power the estimated 25,000+ commercial passenger jet aircraft flying today.

GCAQE board member Captain Nicholas McHugh BSc(hon) stated:

“We hope jet engine manufacturers will priortise the introduction of the reported new 'less hazardous' NYCO oil and any new oils that come to market that reduce the hazard for the aviation workers and passengers routinely exposed to engine oil and engine oil decomposition products on passenger aircraft. Government agencies responsible for aviation safety and public health should also be helping to expedite the introduction of these reported 'less hazardous' oils.”

The new antiwear additive used in the new NYCO oil was patented in 2021. The patent abstract stated:

'Disclosed is an oil that does not include tricresyl phosphate and includes as an anti-wear additive at least one diphosphorus compound for the prophylaxis of aerotoxic syndrome, especially in case of fume event. It also relates to a lubrication method utilizing such oil.'

The term Aerotoxic Syndrome was first proposed in 1999 to summarise the medical symptoms reported by aircrew and passengers exposed to hydraulic fluids, engine oil and engine oil decomposition products on aircraft when these compounds contaminated the breathing air supply.

Aircraft manufacturers have not accepted the term Aerotoxic Syndrome and repeatedly claim that the air on an aircraft is better than in a home, despite ignoring air accident department calls for all passenger aircraft to have contaminated air warning systems installed. Currently, despite calls from air accident investigators, no passenger aircraft has any technology to monitor the air quality of the air passengers and crews are being supplied to breathe from the engines.

For further information contact:

Captain Tristan Loraine

GCAQE Spokesperson

Email: tristanloraine@gcaqe.org

+44 (0) 7968 213862

Website: gcaqe.org

Global Cabin Air Quality Executive

First Floor

10 Queen Street Place

London,

EC4R 1BE

England

Notes to editors:

• Low level oil leakage occurs in normal flight conditions. [1][2]

• The GCAQE is a registered not for profit organisation based in London and established in 2006 and is the leading group in the world representing airline employees in relation to the issue of contaminated air on aircraft.

• Cabin breathing air on all aircraft apart from the Boeing 787 is taken directly from the engines and provided unfiltered to the aircraft. This is known as 'Bleed Air'.

• No aircraft currently flying has any form of detection system fitted to warn when these events occur.

• Flight safety has been reported and documented to have been compromised as a consequence of contaminated air events.

• Crew and passengers have been reporting contaminated air events for over 5 decades.

• Contaminated air events are known to be under reported.

• In 2010, the High Court of Australia upheld a ruling that inhaling heated engine oil fumes were harmful (Joanne Turner case).

• ICAO issued Cir 344 entitled 'GUIDELINES ON EDUCATION, TRAINING AND REPORTING OF FUME EVENTS’ in 2015 but this has been mostly ignored by airlines.

• Over the last 20 years, there have been over 50 recommendations and findings made by 12 air accident departments globally, directly related to contaminated air exposures on passenger jet aircraft. The British Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB), has twice called for contaminated air warning systems to be installed on all large passenger transport aircraft. However, these critical safety recommendations, endorsed by unions globally have been ignored by aircraft manufacturers and aviation regulators such as the FAA, EASA and the UK CAA.

REF:

1. Michaelis, S. (2016) "Implementation Of The Requirements For The Provision Of Clean Air In Crew And Passenger Compartments Using The Aircraft Bleed Air System", Cranfield University, UK. Cranfield MSc Thesis.

2. SAE AIR 4766/2A (2021) “Airborne Chemicals in Aircraft Cabins”
 
Well said that lady, and all the other people who have helped bring about this new type of oil.

Let's hope for an address for all those affected by the aviation industries denial that any problem ever existed.
 
Latest update is very interesting.
 
Hi Bill, next time I bump into a near neighbour of mine, who is a pilot with EasyJet, I'll ask him for his take on aerotoxic situation. What is the current buzz with various companies pilots and aircrew. This is surely too big now to sweep under the carpet.
 
Interesting video, not entertaining but some interesting stories especially from the presenter who was FO on the flight where the captain subsequently died and they were both virtually incapacitated.

 
As an individual who has only flown long haul once and probably not many more than a dozen short haul flights in my lifetime, I only occasionally dip into this thread, but do find it of interest.
I have just read the ‘Canary’ article and two things strike me in my ignorance of the technology involved.

It would appear aircraft can be modified to collect, compress and distribute fresh external air. Why has this approach not been more widespread? Is it impossible to retro fit to aircraft, or does the expense frighten the manufacturers and operators, ie does profit matter more than health?

I read that aircraft circulate air that is as clean as the air in homes etc! This being the case why are governments persecuting modern Diesel engines which allegedly exhaust air that is cleaner than that which is ingested by engines for combustion. Sounds like big business has more sway over governments and that banning ice vehicles is a better vote winner and virtue signal.

I would value a comment on the potential of retrofitting a compressor system and it’s feasability.

Davy
 
Retrofitting a compressor system would be such a major modification that it would not be economically viable, Filters are, however, available relatively cheaply which eliminate the problem and these have begun to be fitted by some operators. In the 60s many aircraft used fresh air to compress rather than engine bleed air but at present the only type doing this is the Boeing 787 Dreamliner.
 
Bill, is it possible for you to point me at something to read as to why in the 60's fresh air was compressed but then bleed air became preferable?
My first guess would be $$$
Also why the 787 Dreamliner was designed with fresh rather than bleed air?
TIA.
 
Interesting discussion on the reasons here. https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=753219
It appears they thought that they knew how to safely use bleed air to supply the cabin!

787 claims to do it for efficiency reasons, but of course they claim that bleed air is safe. http://www.boeing.ch/commercial/aer...e pneumatic bleed results,t burn as much fuel.

Lots of examples of bleed air causing problems, just as many more already mentioned in this thread.
 

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