Charging Leisure Batteries via EV points.

[nabsim]

Yes I know. No need to nag. The point I was making, or trying to, is…….

Rob and I have the same Adventurer fridge. The difference being, he has fitted his. And it’s working well for him, I understand.
Mine is naked of boxes, they have been dropped off at the Tidy Tip. So I’m obviously keeping it, no more prevarication then And is sitting on my bench waiting to be fitted into the van. As the lpg fridge works perfectly well in the winter, it will go into the van when it warms up a bit. May time, sounds good.
I do hope this explains the situation for you Neil, I have tried to keep it simple for you.
Mainly because I don’t understand difficult.
Enjoy your day, before someone spoils it.

Cheeky Git!

 

[Iandsm]

Thanks for the post Phil. If anyone has any questions, please post them and I will do my best to answer them.

Could I ask please is there anything other than the cable with the EV plug that makes this good for motorhome battery charging, perhaps some type integrated transformer, and would the use of it potentially damage the internal working of the average motorhome charger of wiring? Asking for a friend who now FA about EV charging or electronics in general.

 

[Exwindsurfer]

Could I ask please is there anything other than the cable with the EV plug that makes this good for motorhome battery charging, perhaps some type integrated transformer, and would the use of it potentially damage the internal working of the average motorhome charger of wiring? Asking for a friend who now FA about EV charging or electronics in general.

Here's an other one Landsm lolol.

 

[Eriba]

That’s the very last thing us EV owners want. There are not enough charging points for EV‘s at present without having to wait for a campervan/motorhome to charge its leisure battery! I accept that most folk will use their common sense but there are plenty others who just couldn’t give a toss that they may be preventing an EV charging.

Not so many EVs around now it seems to me.
Perhaps they are becoming far less popular or is that incorrect?
Just seems that loads of charges are empty.

 

[mistericeman]

Not so many EVs around now it seems to me.
Perhaps they are becoming far less popular or is that incorrect?
Just seems that loads of charges are empty.

Empty chargers are often ones out of order/faulty

Lots of folks of course only charge at home or work

 

[GeoffL]

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Empty chargers are often ones out of order/faulty

Lots of folks of course only charge at home or work

Youtuber Roaming Radfords recently took a VW IDBuzz around the NC500 and it seems about half the charge points he tried didn't work.

 

[HurricaneSmith]

A friend still has faith, in spite of his disastrous journey to Norfolk where all chargers were out of order. He already drives one EV, and is seriously considering a second in order to pass his ICE vehicle onto a son ........ who lives in Brighton.

I've offered him a run in my hybrid, just to give him the opportunity to compare the differences.

I suspect he won't take the offer up because his home is covered in an array of PV panels, and having withdrawn the surplus needs of his battery bank from the National Grid he's looking for something else to use it on.

 

[tonybvi]

We have 2 EV’s in our household. Mine I have had for 5 years and my wife has had hers for 2 years. No problems with either of them and we have never come across a broken charger (some have been on the slow side so we just move if another is available) in all that time. As we have a son in Guernsey we frequently make the trip from NE Scotland to Portsmouth or Poole (for the ferry) in my EV and I actually look forward to the trip as driving an EV is just great.

 

[nabsim]

I am not a fan of EV's but that is as a final solution, (they are ok as part of a solution) BUT if anyone wanting to go round the NW500 in an EV gets the proper card before setting off they will be ok on the fast chargers.

In this thread though it was about charging house batteries from EV charging points and you don't need the fast chargers for that. Plenty of other slower chargers on the route

 

[Chasn]

At 4 miles per KWh of battery capacity, if you are paying 58p per KWh (typical rate round here) that works out at 14.5p per mile.

With petrol at 132.7p per litre (the lowest price within 5 miles of where I am at present) that's £6.02 per gallon, so to pay 14.5p per mile you'd have to get 602/14.5 = 41.5mpg. Many cars can easily better that.

To make your EV do the equivalent of 65mpg you'd have to be paying the domestic rate of 34p per KWh. That's reasonable if you are charging at home, but this thread is about charging at public EV chargers, isn't it?

Of course the other factor is battery replacement. Per mile, I guess this could be as expensive as the electricity. I don't know though.

How long will batteries last? What will the replacement cost be? Will the old one have a resale value? Or will the car just be scrapped when the battery wears out?

Batteries will outlast the car and will have a second life in fixed charging installations so have value even when the car dies. Batteries are exceeding engine life of ICE cars. Several Teslas have now done over 400,000 miles on one battery.

For those with drives or garages 95% of charging is done at home at night at 7-9p/kwh which makes it a game changer in cost. Also I have paid nothing for servicing in 4 years of ownership.
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[HurricaneSmith]

............ Also I have paid nothing for servicing in 4 years of ownership.,

I recognise that EVs have fewer moving parts than ICE cars, but they still need regular servicing.

It worries me that someone could say otherwise.

Perhaps you really meant to say less servicing or battery servicing?

 

[wildebus]

I recognise that EVs have fewer moving parts than ICE cars, but they still need regular servicing.

It worries me that someone could say otherwise.

Perhaps you really meant to say less servicing or battery servicing?

Maybe he has a service deal as part of the lease which makes it "free"?
But yes, you are spot on, a vehicle needs service and maintenance whatever propulsion system it uses.

 

[HurricaneSmith]

You are right David, he may well have a service deal. What bothered me (as you will know) is that his words as written implied otherwise, which is untrue.

I recently read that owners new to EVs were wearing their tyres out rather quickly because they hadn't yet learned how to drive them, and that had the ring of truth to it. I suspect that's a trap I might fall into as well.

 

[wildebus]

You are right David, he may well have a service deal. What bothered me (as you will know) is that his words as written implied otherwise, which is untrue.

I recently read that owners new to EVs were wearing their tyres out rather quickly because they hadn't yet learned how to drive them, and that had the ring of truth to it. I suspect that's a trap I might fall into as well.

There is a tendency to exaggerate things generally .... Like the "You paid how much? I bought this car for £20 and still running it 10 years later" conveniently forgetting how much that £20 car cost to fix in the first place. Or paying up front for 4 years of servicing and now it is "free".
And the "I charge my car at 7-9p/kWh" ignoring that the car charging tariff also means that their daytime rate is higher than the price people pay during the daytime for their non-car charge tariff. Doesn't mean the car tariff is not a good thing, but it is not the full story.

Partial information and revelation is misleading. Sometimes deliberate, sometimes just an oversight, but either way means what IS said cannot be relied on either. (If you want an example in the camping world, take these people who can run their compressor fridges on a 50Ah battery all weekend, ommiting to reveal how they fill up the fridge with ice bottles to start with, turn it off overnight and their batteries are dead by sunday morning).
Sorry for bit of a rant but this does bug me.

 

[tonybvi]

I accept that I am very very lucky in that not only can I charge at home but I also get free unlimited supercharging for my car whilst I am the owner. In my 5 years of EV ownership I initially paid 4.5p/kWh (subsequently increased to 6.7p/kWh) for my home charging. As mentioned above this is a complete game changer when compared to ICE running costs. Re servicing I have my car checked over every 2 years by the manufacturer service centre, which costs around £300 and manly involves brake service and clean, lubrication of the few moving parts, washer fluid top up and tyre check.

 

[GeoffL]

Batteries will outlast the car and will have a second life in fixed charging installations so have value even when the car dies. Batteries are exceeding engine life of ICE cars. Several Teslas have now done over 400,000 miles on one battery.

That's by no means a given. There are many cases of pure BEVs and also hybrids where the battery is shot or at least has insufficient range for more than a quick pop a few miles to the nearest shops. Check out YouTube, where you'll find lots of reports of batteries dying before the rest of the car. Also, Li-ion have a horrible Achilles Heel called dendrites. These are inevitable and a 'natural' part of the battery aging process. Where batteries are given an easy life by religiously keeping to the '80/20 rule' and only being charged at home (i.e. no rapid charging), batteries can potentially outlast the car -- but you can say the same of ICEVs as there are several examples of Volvos covering over a million miles (still on the original engine) with the record being well over three million miles and a hell of a lot of ICEVs live to beyond 20 years / 200,000 miles and there simply aren't enough EVs to compare. Back to dendrites -- these eventually cause internal short circuits in the battery cells and can cause thermal events. For this reason, it may be a bad idea to give Li-ion batteries a 'second life'. Also, EVs can be written off for what would be minor damage, easily repairable for ICEVs but 'terminal' for EVs, leading to a shorter average lifespan...

For those with drives or garages 95% of charging is done at home at night at 7-9p/kwh which makes it a game changer in cost. Also I have paid nothing for servicing in 4 years of ownership.
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I have a huge issue with this because that tariff is paid for by subsidies, which those who can't or don't charge at home pay for but don't benefit from. Basically, those who charge at home on these ultra-low tariffs are sponging off the poorer elements of our society...