Type2 diabetes

Pudsey Bear · Wednesday at 3:22 PM

Geek said:
If they give the test strips and lancets on prescription, why not the device as well?

They did, and would again, but as said, I've had it five years, don't need more than one.

Pauljenny · Wednesday at 4:41 PM

Allow at least 2 hours after eating, when testing and try to have a snack midway between meals. A rice cake with cream cheese suffices.

If you're active, your body will produce more sugar than when you're resting or asleep .

Jenny tests pre breakfast and before taking her overnight insulin shot. If we've been dining out and had " naughty pudding ", she adjusts the dose, accordingly.

She usually gets 5.8 to 6.4 at breakfast. Any spikes can usually be related to ... naughtiness.

Apples, pears bananas are sugar bombs. So plan when to eat them. Sugar content in fruit increases in the summer months.

Our Portuguese medics have her down as having good control.
She was the Mh.driver, so it was vital that she kept it that way. Particularly so, when we were wildcamping in remote places in Europe.

A fridge thermometer is vital, when carrying insulin, on the move.

Pudsey Bear · Wednesday at 5:05 PM

A bit high today for some reason.

Robmac · Wednesday at 6:40 PM

Apparently I'm having 'overnight oats' for breakfast in the morning. Rolled Oats, Milk and a spoonful of Greek Yoghurt left in the fridge overnight and eaten with Blueberries and Raspberries, followed by a boiled Egg.

I'm quite looking forward to it.

Pudsey Bear · Wednesday at 7:31 PM

That's a fair amount of carbs Rob.

Robmac · Wednesday at 7:49 PM

Pudsey Bear said:
That's a fair amount of carbs Rob.

Apparently it's a recommended breakfast for Diabetics Kev? (Overnight Oats that is).

Robmac · Wednesday at 8:05 PM

...I believe it's something to do with soaking the Rolled Oats overnight in Milk and Greek Yoghurt rather than cooking them.

Pudsey Bear · Wednesday at 9:07 PM

I have Weetabix every morning, sometimes hot with full-fat milk.

in-it-for-fun · Wednesday at 10:09 PM

Pudsey Bear said:
I have Weetabix every morning, sometimes hot with full-fat milk.

I know you want actual meals but that can be prescriptive. I find low or no carbs helps with type 2. No potatoes, no pasta, no bread. 5 or more different vegetables and / or salad with few fruit. By few I mean 1/2 apple or, 5 blueberries, or 2-3 strawberries or 4-5 raspberries etc.
Try reading "fixing dad" amazing book. Works!

Robmac · Thursday at 6:01 AM

in-it-for-fun said:
I know you want actual meals but that can be prescriptive. I find low or no carbs helps with type 2. No potatoes, no pasta, no bread. 5 or more different vegetables and / or salad with few fruit. By few I mean 1/2 apple or, 5 blueberries, or 2-3 strawberries or 4-5 raspberries etc.
Try reading "fixing dad" amazing book. Works!

Personally I'm trying to eat a balanced diet with low carbs so I will still eat bread - either Rye or whole grain. I will still eat Potatoes - but 2 instead of 8. I have cut out most things with Sugar such as fizzy drinks, biscuits etc. but am eating loads of the right Fruits and loads of green veg.

But where you say "By few I mean 1/2 apple or, 5 blueberries, or 2-3 strawberries or 4-5 raspberries etc." I will eat An apple and 5 blueberries and 2-3 strawberries and 4-5 raspberries etc. over the course of a day.

I will still also give myself a treat every now and then and break the rules.

After all, my Diabetes is supposed to be controlled by medication so my diet has become more sensible rather than completely controlling.

Pudsey Bear · Thursday at 7:10 AM

It says on the wall at the meeting.

"It's not your fault, but it is your problem"

Which is very true.

Pudsey Bear · Thursday at 7:17 AM

Lowest carb fruits

9 Fruits Lowest in Carbs to Provide Fiber in a Low-Carb Diet

These fruits can be suitable for low-carb diets and provide fiber, vitamins, minerals and antioxidants to protect health.

www.today.com

Pudsey Bear · Thursday at 7:19 AM

Green foods that you can more less eat as much as you like in moderation.

GREEN FOODS per 100g/ml
Item	Carbs	Cals	Fat	Item	Carbs	Cals	Fat
Almond flour	19	571	50	Kidney beans (cooked, drained)	22.8	127	0.5
Almonds	21.6	579	49.9	Lamb (roast, trimmed)	0	294	21
Asparagus	3.9	20	0.1	Lentils (cooked, drained)	20	116	0.4
Aubergine	5.9	25	0.2	Lettuce	2.9	15	0.2
Avocado	8.5	160	14.7	Macadamias	13.4	718	75.8
Baby corn	8	26	0.2	Mange tout (snow peas)	7.5	42	0.2
Bean sprouts	5.9	30	0.2	Marmite	23	250	0.5
Beef (lean, cooked)	0	217	13	Mayonnaise (homemade)	0.6	680	75
Black-eyed beans (cooked, drained)	21	116	0.5	Mushrooms	3.3	22	0.3
Blackberries	9.6	43	0.5	Oat fibre	0	200	1
Blackcurrants	15.4	63	0.4	Olive oil	0	884	100
Blueberries	14.5	57	0.3	Olives (green, pitted)	6	115	10.7
Brazil nuts	12.3	659	67.1	Onion	9.3	40	0.1
Broad beans	19.7	88	0.7	Pak choi	2.2	13	0.2
Broccoli	6.6	34	0.4	Pecans	13.9	691	71.9
Brussels sprouts	9	43	0.3	Pepper (bell)	6	31	0.3
Butter	0.1	717	81.1	Pesto (homemade)	5	460	47
Cabbage	5.8	25	0.1	Pork (loin, cooked)	0	242	14
Cauliflower	5	25	0.3	Psyllium husk	88	200	0.6
Celeriac	9.2	42	0.3	Pumpkin seeds (pepitas)	10.7	559	49
Celery	3	14	0.2	Quorn pieces (plain)	4.5	99	2.9
Chia seeds	42.1	486	30.7	Radish	3.4	16	0.1
Chicken breast (skinless, cooked)	0	165	3.6	Raspberries	11.9	52	0.7
Chickpeas (cooked, drained)	27.4	164	2.6	Redcurrants	13.8	56	0.2
Coconut (fresh flesh)	15.2	354	33.5	Rhubarb (raw)	4.5	21	0.2
Coconut flour	58	400	14	Soda water	0	0	0
Coconut oil	0	892	100	Sour cream	4.6	214	20
Courgettes	3.1	17	0.3	Soya (textured/TVP, dry)	20	315	1
Cranberries (fresh)	12.2	46	0.1	Soya protein isolate	3	360	1
Cream & crème fraîche (average full-fat)	3.5	360	36	Spinach	3.6	23	0.4
Eggs (whole)	1.1	143	10.6	Strawberries	7.7	32	0.3
Fermented vegetables (e.g., sauerkraut)	2	19	0.1	Sunflower seeds	20	584	51.5
Fish — oily (e.g., salmon)	0	208	13	Swede (rutabaga)	9	38	0.2
Fish — white (e.g., cod)	0	82	0.7	Swiss chard	3.7	19	0.2
Flaxseeds	28.9	534	42.2	Tea and coffee (black)	0	1	0
Full fat cheese (cheddar-style)	1.3	403	33	Tofu (firm)	1.9	76	4.8
Full fat milk (whole, per 100 ml ≈ 100 g)	4.7	64	3.6	Tomatoes	3.9	18	0.2
Full fat plain yogurt	4.7	61	3.3	Tuna (canned in water)	0	132	1
Grapefruit	10.7	42	0.1	Turnip	6.4	28	0.1
Green beans	7	31	0.2	Vital wheat gluten	13.8	370	1.9
Green leaves (any type)	3.6	23	0.4	Walnuts	13.7	654	65.2
Hazelnuts	16.7	628	60.8	Water	0	0	0
Herbs and spices (dried, mixed)	44	271	10	Watercress	1.3	11	0.1

Amber foods that are still okay, but don't overeat.

AMBER FOODS per 100g/ml
Item	Carbs	Cals (kcal)	Fat	Item	Carbs	Cals (kcal)	Fat
Almond milk (unsweetened)	0.2	13	1.1	Kiwi	14.7	61	0.5
Apples	13.8	52	0.2	Leeks	14.2	61	0.3
Arrowroot (flour/starch)	88	357	0.1	Low fat cheese (e.g., light cheddar)	3	250	16
Bacon (back, grilled, trimmed fat)	1.4	240	16	Low fat milk (semi-skimmed)	4.8	46	1.7
Baked beans in tomato sauce (reduced sugar)	10	71	0.2	Low fat yogurt (plain)	7	63	1.5
Beetroot	10	43	0.2	Melon (generic)	8	34	0.2
Butternut squash	12	45	0.1	Nectarine	10.6	44	0.3
Cantaloupe melon	8.2	34	0.2	Orange	11.8	47	0.1
Carrots	9.6	41	0.2	Parsnips	18	75	0.3
Cashews (nuts)	30.2	553	43.8	Peanuts	16.1	567	49.2
Cherries (sweet)	16	63	0.2	Pears	15.2	57	0.1
Chestnuts (roasted)	53	245	2.2	Peas	14.5	81	0.4
Cocoa (with water, unsweetened powder)	2	15	0.5	Pickled vegetables (typical)	3.5	20	0.2
Coconut milk drink (unsweetened)	0.3	16	1.5	Pistachios (nuts)	28	562	45.4
Dark chocolate (≥80% cocoa)	20	600	50	Plums	11.4	46	0.3
Diet drinks	0	1	0	Red or white wine (dry)	2.6	84	0
Erythritol (granular, pure)	0	0	0	Sausages (pork, standard)	2.7	301	27
Figs (fresh)	19.2	74	0.3	Soya milk (unsweetened)	0.7	33	1.8
Galia melon	8	34	0.1	Spirits with diet mixers (per 100 ml of mixed drink)	0	58	0
Gram flour (chickpea flour)	57.8	387	6.7	Stevia (pure extract)	0	0	0
Ham (lean, cooked)	1.5	145	5	Sweetcorn (kernels)	20.9	96	1.5
Honeydew melon	9.1	36	0.1	Watermelon	7.6	30	0.2

Red foods, avoid as much as possible

*RED FOODS PER 100G*
*Food*	*Carbs (g)*	*Cals (kcal)*	*Fat (g)*	*Food*	*Carbs (g)*	*Cals (kcal)*	*Fat (g)*
*All-bran*	45	*259*	4	*Mango*	15	60	*0.4*
*Bananas*	23	89	*0.3*	*Margarine*	*0.5*	*717*	80
*Biscuits (average)*	69	*502*	24	*Oat milk (unsweetened)*	6	43	*1.5*
*Bread (white, average)*	49	*265*	*3.2*	*Pasta (dry)*	74	*371*	*1.5*
*Breadsticks*	70	*407*	8	*Pies and sausage rolls*	28	*320*	18
*Cakes (average)*	54	*350*	15	*Pineapple*	13	50	*0.1*
*Cereal: Weetabix*	69	*362*	2	*Pitta bread*	55	*275*	1
*Chips (crisps)*	49	*536*	34	*Pizza (average)*	33	*266*	*9.7*
*Cordials (diluted, average)*	4	16	0	*Porridge oats*	60	*389*	7
*Cornflakes*	84	*357*	*0.4*	*Potatoes*	17	77	*0.1*
*Cous cous (dry)*	72	*376*	*0.6*	*Protein bars*	35	*350*	12
*Crackers*	67	*502*	22	*Rice (white, dry)*	80	*365*	*0.6*
*Crisps*	49	*536*	34	*Rice bars (average)*	77	*385*	3
*Dried fruit (average)*	64	*290*	*0.5*	*Rice cakes*	81	*387*	3
*Flat bread*	55	*293*	5	*Rice milk (unsweetened)*	12	47	1
*Fruit juice*	10	46	*0.1*	*Ryvita*	69	*326*	*1.5*
*Fruit juice (unsweetened)*	10	46	*0.1*	*Sugary drinks*	*10.6*	42	0
*Fruit yoghurt with sugar*	15	95	*1.5*	*Sugary sauces (ketchup)*	27	*112*	*0.1*
*Granola*	64	*489*	20	*Sweeteners (artificial)*	0	0	0
*Grapes*	17	69	*0.2*	*Sweets*	90	*380*	*0.1*
*Honey*	82	*304*	0	*Tinned fruit in syrup*	20	83	*0.1*
*Ice cream*	23	*207*	11	*Vegetable seed oils*	0	*884*	*100*
*Low fat cooking spray*	0	15	*1.5*	*Wheat flour*	76	*364*	1
*Low fat spreads*	2	*380*	40	*Wheat wraps*	56	*313*	*7.9*

Pudsey Bear · Thursday at 7:49 AM

I tasked ChatGPT with coming up with 28-days of menu ideas. This took a lot of work, as did the Green, Amber & Red tables above, about six weeks in all, going back and forth to refine the details. I don't care for chicken or cheese, in case you wondered why it wasn't popular. my breakfast is Weetabix, so no breakfast suggestions.

	*Lunch*	*Dinner*	*Snacks*
1	Mackerel salad with rocket	Pork belly with cabbage	Celery & peanut butter
2	Beef & pickle lettuce wraps	Egg-fried cauliflower rice with prawns	Boiled egg & radish
3	Tuna avocado boats	Stuffed courgettes with mince & herbs	Olives & walnuts
4	Sardines, cucumber & boiled egg	Baked mushroom with spinach & egg	Seaweed snacks
5	Egg mayo lettuce boats	Lamb & broccoli stir-fry	Pork scratchings
6	Prawn salad with olives	Minced beef in cabbage leaves	Pickled veg & Brazil nuts
7	Ham, cucumber & mustard plate	Celeriac mash with mackerel	Cheese cube & gherkin
8	Roast beef roll-ups (lettuce)	Pan-fried pork & cabbage	Stuffed mini peppers
9	Tinned salmon, beetroot & greens	Tofu stir-fry with pak choi	Nuts & seaweed crisps
10	Hard-boiled eggs, green beans & tuna	Lamb stew (no spuds)	Celery & full-fat cream cheese
11	Leftover pork wrap (low-carb)	Courgette & mushroom stir-fry	Cucumber & nut butter
12	Pâté on cucumber rounds	Spinach omelette with mushrooms	Biltong or jerky
13	Pickled herring with salad	Roasted aubergine & mince	Cold meat slices
14	Chopped egg & tomato bowl	Cauliflower & bacon hash	Cherry tomatoes & nuts

	*Lunch*	*Dinner*	*Snacks*
15	Cold lamb with mint mayo	Stir-fried sprouts & ham	Olives & feta
16	Mackerel mayo lettuce wraps	Stuffed peppers with turkey mince	Peppers & tahini dip
17	Boiled egg & beetroot salad	Fried liver & spinach	Cucumber slices & nuts
18	Sardine pâté & celery sticks	Stuffed aubergine halves	Crunchy pork crackling
19	Roast pork salad	Minced pork with leek & cauli rice	Cold sausages
20	Cold roast beef in salad	Stir-fried veg with prawns	Pickled egg & radish
21	Tuna mayo with green beans	Baked courgette boats (mushroom & herb)	Babybel & olives
22	Ham, avocado & cucumber	Keto meatballs with broccoli	Peanuts & celery
23	Cheesy egg muffins	Spicy turkey mince lettuce tacos	Kale crisps
24	Sardine salad & boiled egg	Beef stir-fry with mushrooms	Chopped veg & dip
25	Cold chicken & guacamole	Tofu & aubergine stir-fry	Feta & olive skewers
26	Egg salad with mustard dressing	Grilled mackerel & greens	Mini meatballs (cold)
27	Beef roll-ups (low-carb)	Cauliflower & bacon bake	Cold pork slices
28	Leftover veg frittata	Broccoli & lamb skillet	Nuts & cucumber sticks

Pudsey Bear · Thursday at 1:30 PM

If need be, the above table could be copied, then cut and pasted, and printed out for the fridge door.

in-it-for-fun · Thursday at 2:18 PM

Robmac said:
Personally I'm trying to eat a balanced diet with low carbs so I will still eat bread - either Rye or whole grain. I will still eat Potatoes - but 2 instead of 8. I have cut out most things with Sugar such as fizzy drinks, biscuits etc. but am eating loads of the right Fruits and loads of green veg.

But where you say "By few I mean 1/2 apple or, 5 blueberries, or 2-3 strawberries or 4-5 raspberries etc." I will eat An apple and 5 blueberries and 2-3 strawberries and 4-5 raspberries etc. over the course of a day.

I will still also give myself a treat every now and then and break the rules.

After all, my Diabetes is supposed to be controlled by medication so my diet has become more sensible rather than completely controlling.

I've reversed my diabetes. No medication! Not arguing but fixing dad works and reduced carbs reduces sugar crash. Most get "attack of munchies" after 2 hrs of hi carb meal. Chinese for example or even beans on toast.
Anyway, we each have an opinion. Fixing dad has some recipes.
Good luck with managing your diabetes

in-it-for-fun · Thursday at 2:25 PM

Geek said:
Interesting that the postage is slightly more expensive than the device, which is admirably cheap.
Presumably because it comes with 10 test strips it is good for ten tests. What do replacement test strips cost?
The good thing about a CGM is that it runs 24/7 recording changes more or less* as they happen, without having to jab yourself with a pin. The bad thing is that they are quite expensive (because they only last a fortnight), but without knowing the comparative cost of test strips, I'm not clear about how expensive.
*Not quite in real time, because they monitor the glucose in the fat the probe is in, not the blood itself, which puts a 10 to 15 minute delay in the readings. But you can see the trends on a nice graph, and allow for the lag.

This glucose test is free via GP & NHS. Then the test strips are free 50 (I think) in a pack. Soft clix "pricker" nearly pain free & side of finger has less nerve ends than the front pad.
Libre (£50 for 15 days) is a constant monitor so you can follow your sugar / carb results.

Robmac · Thursday at 3:19 PM

in-it-for-fun said:
I've reversed my diabetes. No medication! Not arguing but fixing dad works and reduced carbs reduces sugar crash. Most get "attack of munchies" after 2 hrs of hi carb meal. Chinese for example or even beans on toast.
Anyway, we each have an opinion. Fixing dad has some recipes.
Good luck with managing your diabetes

I reversed my Diabetes when I had had it for a couple of years by following a book by somebody who I can't recall, but basically it meant me living on 400 calories or thereabouts a day. It worked but I looked gaunt and ill so returned to a normal diet and the Diabetes soon returned. I asked my Doctor if I should try the diet again and he said definitely not as it wasn't sufficient calories to survive on.

My situation is complicated in that I like Beer - and in large quantities, although I only indulge at weekends now but I am looking at cutting down to some extent but I do appreciate that this is not helping my cause!

I have also lost weight recently and being a tad skinny already I don't need or want to so I'm hoping that a high protein diet with some Carbs but low Sugar will help me get some weight back on whilst still regulating my blood Sugar but we will see, and I will be chatting with my Doctor regarding this during my upcoming annual checkup.

But I will certainly take a look at 'Fixing Dad' thanks.

Pudsey Bear · Thursday at 4:49 PM

I just did my glucose, and we're getting back down to my norm, it was still a bit elevated @ 6.8mmol/L 5.5 is where I like to be, but have been as low as 4.1, my keto is 0.02.

Robmac · Friday at 7:10 AM

Can anybody recommend me a suitable Peanut Butter please?

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